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Strap in for a ride through the soul of America, as we navigate the choppy waters of faith, politics, and the sacrifices in between. This journey takes us from the halls of Benedictine College, where Harrison Butker's commencement speech on faith and values became a lightning rod for debate. We honor Memorial Day with a nod to the Tunnel to Towers charity, and we're not afraid to tackle the thornier aspects of Catholic doctrine as they clash and coalesce with modern society.
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welcome back to this american ride podcast where we talk about issues that affect you, the average american. What's up and welcome back to the show here is to being consistent, man. Yeah, don't look now, team go, team coming off a great episode last week. Yeah, yeah, that was a good one, definitely, definitely. If you hadn't caught that, go back and check out the interview with Greg Sobosinski. He is our candidate for the congressional third district here in South Jersey and he's got a long road ahead of him. Most definitely is going to get through this primary on June 4th and then he has to basically pick a Democratic chosen opponent and I say that because they're not really having a primary here in the state of New Jersey. That's worth anything. They're just going to hand the nomination to one dude. They've got a couple people with their hats in the ring. The party is just back to one guy.
Speaker 2:It kind of seems like how they work lately all across the board, huh brutal. I guess.
Speaker 1:If you're a democrat voter, you just do what you're told well, right, exactly, and if I was a democratic voter I would be, I would be quite pissed. At least here our primary, we've got, you know, a handful of people that are all in the mix with the Republicans.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so, um, by the time folks are listening to this, um, you've already had it, so I hope you all had a fantastic Memorial day weekend. Um, but for us, as we record this, we are about to roll into the holiday weekend.
Speaker 2:Very excited about that, yeah, yeah, looking forward to a, uh, a nice weekend, barbecue and hanging out with friends and hopefully a motorcycle ride and who knows what else cheers and it's a little late for you guys, but hopefully you spent a little time, you know, reflecting on what the holiday actually is Memorial Day and those that we've gave the ultimate price for the country, so I will definitely take a minute for that this weekend.
Speaker 1:Yep and if you feel the urge to help change somebody's life, we are having an event on July 13th There'll be a link down below this and you can donate to the charity that we're raising money for in 2024, which is Tunnel to Towers, and they do a lot of things for veterans and first responders who've given the ultimate sacrifice, as well as injured and disabled veterans and first responders, things such as making homes handicap accessible, things such as paying off mortgages for those left behind, and that's pretty impactful yeah, yeah, actually an amazing cause and super excited to be trying to raise money for them this year.
Speaker 2:And we're getting close. We are down about 50 ish days, scary until the event. Uh, so getting excited, getting nervous, praying, it all works out and there's no major issues and everybody has a great time.
Speaker 1:We raise a lot of money, but but that's not what we're talking about today no, we are kind of talking about a little bit of a segue from some of what we talked about rick sobosinski last week and that is um values yeah, so we're almost two weeks behind on this story but it uh, it still seems to be kicking a little bit and and really uh got a lot of people's panties in a bunch.
Speaker 2:So kind of thought we would address the uh harrison butker commencement speech that has so many on the left just in a tizzy freaking out, freaking out at the, just the unbelievable, horrific things that he said, the craziness that he spewed at this. This uh college triggered, yeah, so triggered, so triggered, just to kind of set the table. Um, harrison Bucker is a NFL football player I use the words football player loosely as he is a kicker, but he is a devout Catholic and has, you know those, he has that faith and he's, you know, very serious about it. And he was speaking at Benedictine College, catholic Catholic Liberal Arts College in Atchison, kansas, I believe it's called so just to set the table. It's a Catholic guy, catholic University, giving a commencement speech and talking about pretty much Catholic and religious type of morals and ethics. Um, so that's the kind of set the table of where it all started and then we can kind of just I mean, however you want to break it down, I took notes on some of the different.
Speaker 2:I have notes because there's no way I can remember all these different talking points that came up in the uh, in the in the speech. But um, to me came up in the in the in the speech. But to me personally I just don't see anything that's outrageous. But I see why certain groups of people would think it's outrageous, so I guess we can get to that at some point here. But yeah, pretty crazy.
Speaker 1:Well, I think the important thing here is, um, the words devout Catholic and um, harrison is a devout Catholic. You know, in in every sense of the word, to the fact that there's a lot of things I feel like that are in the speech that got looked over. There's a lot of things that were misquoted in social media. Um, you know they, they twisted words of a speech that was. You know, the words I think were picked very carefully. They were picked very purposely. Very purposely, I feel like, is the way to put it. And Harrison went into the fact that you know he a a traditional latin mass. Yeah, so that is.
Speaker 2:And then just to talk about, like devout catholics, right, well, yeah, well just just to say, when it comes to the this, the catholic part of this and I don't know much about catholicism I wasn't, I'm not catholic, I wasn't raised catholic, so I will defer to you on those types of things.
Speaker 1:I know just enough to be dangerous, I'm sure. Um, I mean the way you know Catholics, you know they worship one God, just like most Christians, right? Um, I think, kind of where some of the separation is is the way you know Catholics, to me at least, they don't look at other religions as denominations. They don't necessarily recognize, I would say, other denominations. Anything else that is outside of their traditional sect, however you want to call it is, you know, is notolicism in its truest form and they believe that catholicism is christianity, christianity is catholicism, and they are lockstep and they believe in one father, the holy spirit, and that's, that's their core. Um, what makes I feel like different than what people think of? I feel like people don't think as Catholics, as Christians.
Speaker 2:A lot of times, yeah, I feel like there's Christians and Catholics and that's that's.
Speaker 1:that's not true. Catholicism is Christianity and it's Christianity at you know what a devout Catholic like Harrison would tell you is it's Christianity at its oldest, to purest form. And they believe that the Latin mass which is why there are Catholic churches that are going back to this is how God wants to be worshipped in its oldest, most ancient form, and that is that's why the Latin masses are starting to come back. I mean, people don't attend Latin masses because they, for their love of Latin you know what I mean? It's not like because they want to go hear a priest yap in Latin for 45 minutes to an hour. They do that because that is what people for centuries have done and that is their tradition.
Speaker 1:And Catholicism is about structure, and it is about tradition and the belief is. The structure is what keeps you in line, it is what keeps you from straying, it is what keeps you, I guess, for layman's terms, on the straight and narrow and walking in the ways of god. Now it's to me it seems like christian churches and while I don't get me wrong, I enjoy christian churches. I would personally prefer to go to a christian church because I feel I guess I feel a little bit like people go to christian churches, their relationship is more their own with god, and that's kind of how I feel it should be, when, when you go to a Catholic church, I feel like the love is as much of the institution, the church, as it is with God. Whether that's the way it's meant to be or not, you know, that's just again my take. I agree.
Speaker 2:So I don't. I mean I don't agree the way I was raised, I don't agree the way I was raised. I don't agree with you. Know, like confession to a yeah, what do you call it? Um, to a priest, to a priest. So, um, I don't, I don't believe that. I believe it said, when you know, when the veil was torn, that was that did away with that and we no longer had to go through a middleman well, I mean, the catholic belief is that, whether a priest or a bishop or whatever, have you um?
Speaker 1:those individuals don't represent god. They are merely vicars, for god is the word that they choose and which means they are hate. They use the word and I look this up, and they use the word and I look this up and they use the word substitute, and I hate. I don't like the word substitute. I don't think that there is any substitute for God, but they're more of. You know what I mean. So the definition that they use, the definition of a vicar, is a substitute of. So therefore, by using the word vicar, you're using the word, you're implying the term substitute for the word, you're implying the term substitute for yeah, um, but that is. You know, that is kind of what it is, but again it's. It's one of those old traditions. Like catholics don't worship mary, all right, a lot of people believe that people don't understand catholicism, believe that the catholics worship mary. They pray to Mary, but she's not part of the worship.
Speaker 2:Just to just to clear that up.
Speaker 1:She was the mother of Jesus. They, you know I guess I probably should have an answer for that and that's when I said, when I know enough to be dangerous, that's where it stops, but they, they do. They do pray to the mother Mary.
Speaker 2:So yeah. So with this speech, man like and I mean maybe you've seen it, maybe maybe you've seen the things people are freaking out about. Maybe you don't know anything about it, but you know, if you're on anywhere on social media you'll see, you know. Basically, I mean he triggered the left with just a few little spots in this speech, triggered the left with just a few little spots in this speech and, um, so they're outraged. But the reality is he really talked about most. It was only 20 minutes long and he really only spent a couple minutes, if that on the parts where the people are outraged about it was basically like maybe a few.
Speaker 1:It wasn't even minutes, it was maybe like eight lines. If you want to total everything together it's maybe eight lines of the speech.
Speaker 2:The majority of it was just about being proud to be Catholic and taking that out from the college out into the real world and sticking, staying true to those values and not just you know now that you're leaving your Catholic college and going out into your adult life that you just forget about all that and start doing all the things that go against god and your religion. That was the majority of it from what I took um, but then he just touched on these couple little spots that just feminists losing their mind and obviously, you know, the rainbow flag community losing their mind. Um, because of like, really like, one little backhanded comment that he made. Well, I mean, he made a comment about pride month and that was like, really the gist of what he talked about it's.
Speaker 1:It's not. I wouldn't even call it a backhanded comment. You know listen.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's a shot at them a hundred percent.
Speaker 1:I mean, no matter how you look at it, if you follow the word of God, being gay is a sin Right, whether you and this is a topic, I mean it's a topic that came up at poker night the last time we played poker it's been, it was a topic that has come up. You know in the church that you attend, you know frequently and um, and you see how even christians lose sight of that based on that conversation.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, because the reality of it is, no matter how much you believe something, when someone you love now is involved, it's so easy to change your opinion, you sway your, your mindset on that, because someone you love now maybe is gay, right, so, yeah, we saw that firsthand. But yeah, it was just like these couple triggering moments that just set them off. But really, I mean, he, like he touched, he started out by touching on, you know, biden and our, our political leaders, and how you know Biden claims to be Catholic but then he goes and you know is gives the. He's had these things given speeches about being pro, you know, choice and abortion and things like that, which completely go against, which means he's not Catholic, right, right.
Speaker 1:You can be baptized.
Speaker 2:You can sit here and say you're, you're Christian or you're Catholic, or you're religious or you believe in God all you want. But then if every one of these difficult social topics come up and you fall on the wrong side, you're really not right. You're just. You're just not.
Speaker 1:And that's fine, but just stop saying you are and and this is what I mean, um, when I say he uh, I have this whole speech here. It's uh.
Speaker 2:He talks about the choices not being easy, being difficult well, he opened up the whole speech saying that you know he was going to talk about the hard things, yeah, and he closed by saying I know this wasn't a full of fluff like you would expect in a speech like this, yeah, so he meant to hit these points.
Speaker 2:He was not hiding from it. That was the whole point was to discuss some of these hard topics that you know, in today's society, based on all the things we're being fed from mainstream media just mainstream culture you're made to feel guilty and wrong for thinking these Christian values.
Speaker 1:I think the speech was as much about leadership yeah, that was my next point, talking point yeah, as it was anything, Because in the speech he also talks about. He talks about the leadership of the Catholic Church. He talks about the Church of Nice and I was listening to another podcast last night and they went into what the Church of Nice, what the word nice means, and the word nice, when it first came up in the English language, was more of an insult, more of an ignorance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we wouldn't understand that today because the word is involved Like hey, that's nice, you know, and it was never the word. The Latin, the Latin origin of nice is not a positive word.
Speaker 2:I would have thought he was talking about how so many of these pastors like only talk about the happy, like frou-frou stuff. You know, like the Joel Osteen's, when they just sit and talk about all, the, all the positives and they don't want to ever tell you about the reality of, if you're not doing the right things, what's going to happen. You know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is not um. Um. Nice is a negative term derived from the latin nescius, meaning unaware or ignorant. Interesting, so I I don't think when he used the night word nice and the word cowardice in, in, in sentences that followed each other, I think he was very aware of the meaning that he intended for nice, I'm sure he was especially somebody now tying this back, when you see a simple word like that in the speech, tying this back to somebody who goes into the fact that he attends aladdin mass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, but back to biden real quick. You know, um, he talks about how these this was the class that's graduating now that graduated high school during covid may have not had, may have not had an in-person um graduation started college during covid. Yes, you know it's um. So didn't necessarily walk into the college experience that they might have dreamt about or that you know older siblings or older friends or parents have had. You know those first like year or two in college, and you know he talks about the bad policies and right away, the poor leadership that negatively impacted this stuff and goes right into degenerate cultural values, which is, you know again, abortion, ivf, surrogacy, euthanasia.
Speaker 1:I'm not as right up on the euthanasia thing. I know it's got more traction in Europe than I feel like it does here, but the surrogacy thing was kind of a shocker to me. I mean, you know the fact that you know we're implying, you know, obviously, that somebody else is going to carry somebody else's baby, but the fact that you're taking that like a step further and you're looking at something like. Last night, stacey and I were talking about the handmaid's tale, where it was like you know, we're gonna force people women who can have babies to carry babies for when it can't have babies. You know who's forcing people to carry babies? No, I mean like that could be. Do you look at human trafficking?
Speaker 2:you know it's not a stretch, okay yeah, you're talking about bad people doing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm talking about the government, no, no, no, I mean, they're bad people too, just kind of bad people, but, yeah, I mean a lot of, a lot of christians that are really really go by the word and stuff. They don't like anything that has to do with messing with pregnancy and birth and and anything where you're like playing God. You know they don't. I mean, carolyn has um friends, or a friend from college, I believe, who doesn't use birth control and doesn't, you know, try not to, and she has a ton of kids because her belief is that if you know God wants it to happen, it's going to happen, it's going to happen and I I can't argue that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I can't argue that. I mean I think that takes extreme faith to be willing to do that. You know, because most of us, even most Christians, no matter how much you believe, you still like all right, I don't want 10 kids. So then you either, you know, maybe you don't do birth control because you don't believe in that. But I mean we all know there's other ways to not get pregnant, right, so you just do that. But, um, yeah, there's people that don't. They don't mess with that, the IVF or whatever, all that, all this stuff to like when you can't get pregnant. Um, you know, you do you know, do these medical things that they don't believe in it? So I can't say that they're wrong, but they're also not really. I mean government's not forcing that on anybody, you know.
Speaker 1:No, so it's um, but one of the big things he said is um, talking about Joe Biden and like what we just said about him, you know, being being so pro-life, um he. He said, and these are his words, I mean pro-choice, my fault pro-choice. He said, and these are his words, I mean pro-choice, my fault, pro-choice. These are his words from the speech printed out. It says he's been so vocal in support for the murder of innocent babies that I'm sure so many people to so many people, it appears that you can be both Catholic and pro-choice. And he's talking about poor leadership, like because people see, you know Joe Biden doing it. You might be liberal. Well, it must be okay. Yeah, and at no point is it okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, that's all you know. Getting into the abortion topic is a whole giant can of worms. But I'm in, you know, at no point. There's nothing about it that I'm okay with. So again I look at it and I don't see an issue with what he's saying, because I 100% agree, right.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so that's where he talks about the church of nice and people think it's a winning position, but it's really not but yeah, he talked about.
Speaker 2:He talked about leadership, both politically and both within the catholic religion and, and starting at the top, with the priests and the way they run their, their churches. You know, he, he, he bashed on them pretty good too well, they deserve it.
Speaker 1:And um, let's hear story time and I'll tell you this is my, this is, um, my point of where I stopped attending catholic church. I guess is what you could say. Um, I worked at a hospital. We had, uh, you know, I worked on a floor.
Speaker 1:Health care and cardiology was very different years ago. You know, young people with genetics, you know we didn't like, we didn't understand what, like cholesterol, good numbers were. We didn't understand a lot of that stuff. We saw a lot of young people have heart attacks, need bypass surgery. This guy was 42 years old. He was from, like, the Tom's River area, italian Catholic, I mean devout Catholic family. They were all together.
Speaker 1:All there Should have been a routine surgery. I don't know, I don't remember the specifics of whatever happened happened, but he did not do well and he hung on in the ICU for a long time, probably like I mean maybe two or three weeks. He was on a ventilator and before surgery it was routine that a priest from St Anne's because the way the Catholics are broken out, whoever your local church is is who covers the hospitals in that area. So, whether you have a Catholic who is from that parish or not, if they are in your region and they need a priest. You go, it is what you were called to do, it is what you have chosen to do or have been chosen to do, and it is what you were called to do. It is what you have chosen to do or have been chosen to do, and it is what you do. So I called up Father J and you know, night before like we have three weeks into this, um, and I said, hey, you know they're going to discontinue. You know life-saving capabilities on this guy. They, they're going to. You know, let him go.
Speaker 1:The family, uh, family was like a priest, you know, to do a final blessing and sit with them. Uh, he's like, let me call you back. And 12 minutes go by and here you go. You like, you know it's like 10 o'clock at night, I remember, and you know the family is like huddled around this bed. This guy is on a ventilator, obviously, you know. You know um calls me back. He's like, uh, yeah, game is annoyment, it's Good for 30 days. Wow, I said. I said I can be honest, father. I said that really doesn't mean anything to me. Like we need somebody to come up and sit with the family. They were about to lose a loved one.
Speaker 1:So, knowing how the system works, um, I called sacred heart, who was like at the time and not maybe still like the archdiocese of the region, you know, was always like Sacred Heart. So I had a number to Sacred Heart. I called Sacred Heart. I get some bishop or somebody on the phone. I was like, hey, listen, here's the deal. I got a priest. He refuses to come, told me that the anointment's good for 30 days. I said I didn't let the family know that yet, but like, the clock is ticking and um, he had a priest from another church, um, I don't remember where. Come down and sit with the family, okay, and um, the fact that a priest refused to do that, I get it. I think my personal opinion is the guy was drunk because I thought he drank a lot. You know, just go from going to the church. I thought the guy was a bit of an alcoholic. I get it, he was a priest. Might be inappropriate for me to say that or think that, but you know I went to enough masses, that Right.
Speaker 2:So that's funny, I thought you were going somewhere else with that because, um, you said, that's what made you kind of walk away.
Speaker 1:And I just stopped going to St Anne's after that. St Anne's.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That was my thing Like. Well, that was their, that was from.
Speaker 2:St Anne's. That guy was from St Anne's. I thought you meant the whole Catholicism in general. No, no, just that church, just that church, okay.
Speaker 1:So, which is interesting, because I was, it's kind of beat. It is kind of beat, I mean, like my religious background is I was obviously baptized Catholic. My grandmother was Catholic. She came from a hard line and I mean a hard line of Irish Catholics and to the point where one of the sticking points that she didn't want my mother marrying my father is that he was Lutheran and that religion basically didn't exist they were not full Christians and Catholics had all kinds of slang for different religions, but if you weren't Catholic, you basically didn't follow Christian in in its purest form, and that was a thing.
Speaker 1:um, but yeah, it's just. Uh, you know yeah so, but he talks about this is the type of thing he talks about, right, so he talks about bishops during covid, yeah, and, and that is kind of like where I'm at you talk about leadership, leadership.
Speaker 2:Both from the church and politically and politically.
Speaker 1:Really botched.
Speaker 2:That is what he kind of talked about.
Speaker 1:And how, during COVID, people were dying, families wanted last rights. Supposedly, I'm just kidding. I mean, it is what it is. Families wanted last rights and bishops were like well, we are under lockdown.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man.
Speaker 1:And did not go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's bad. I mean I didn't agree with any of the churches that that closed the doors and what. Even my own, like we weren't happy with our church. Yeah, Following those, Because I mean, if you go by the letter of the law and the constitution, they don't have a right to shut you down.
Speaker 2:No, they do not no matter what. So, yeah, we had a beef with, with with our church for doing that and any of the church that did I don't agree with. I mean, I think you're, I think they were wrong, but yeah, like doing that and denying last rights and stuff.
Speaker 1:And this is because you're afraid of COVID, like this is what he talks about Crazy. This is leadership within the church. And he says something that I feel like is true, not only in the church, but is true. You know, in this country, as citizens of a country, you know of a um, we're not a democracy so many people want to call us. Democracy are a republic topic for another podcast but you know where we choose our leadership. We vote for our leadership in a democratic process and he says we get the leaders we deserve you ain't wrong you know who else said that?
Speaker 1:thomas jefferson. Not wrong. No, the people will get the leadership they deserve yeah, yeah, it's, that's pretty clear cut yeah so, whether it's the church or whether it's the government, I mean, he thinks he's, he's putting leadership in one bucket, kind of to me. You know you have the president of the united states who says this, but but does this?
Speaker 2:you know you have, you know, bishops and talked about some stuff about the leaders of the church being more concerned with, like, matching outfits with their dogs or something, and I don't. I mean that must have been something that must be an inside thing for Catholics that know about. I don't know anything about that, but it was kind of funny and it was at some point in talking about that that he quoted Taylor Swift one of her songs.
Speaker 1:This is what he says. Right here I have it. There's not enough time today for me to list all the stories of priests and bishops misleading their flocks. Their flocks. That. That's what father said, because sadly, many priests we are looking to for leadership are the same ones who prioritize their hobbies or even photos with their dogs and matching outfits for the parish director. Oh, that's not matching with their dog, it is what he said but what was the?
Speaker 2:quote because somewhere in right in that same area, was a quote about a quote from a taylor swift song which had all the swifties up in arms because they didn't want this misogynist religion. Loving right wing freak, you know, quoting taylor swift their god, I'll have to find that but yeah so that wasn't it.
Speaker 2:That was. That's where he, that's where he, you know, triggered the swifties, so he apparently quoted, but then he went on. That's what. Right after that, I think, he went and then he made he made a comment about having, you know, triggered the Swifties, so he apparently quoted, but then he went on. That's what he. Right after that, I think, he went and then he made, he made a comment about having, you know, having pride and having pride, I guess, in your Catholic faith, and then he said the comment about and not the kind of pride that you know, has a month dedicated to it, and that's that's of, you know, the uh alphabet soup people.
Speaker 1:He used the word specifically, not the kind of sinful pride, right, which is also, again, words chosen very purposely.
Speaker 1:Before we move on from the the whole thing, though, um, he, he did bring up, you know, great saints like saint damien amalekai, who knew the dangers of his ministry and stayed for 11 years as a spiritual leader to the leper colonies of Hawaii. So here we are. We had lepers, right, we had, beyond COVID, we had people at leprosy, who they were? You know what's the word banishing, but it's not exiling to, you know, to an Island, um, and, and he was going to, you know, minister to these people, and at the time when he went there he was not a leper, and it says His heroism today is something set apart and unique, which, ideally, it should not be unique at all, for a father loves his children, so a shepherd should love his spiritual children as well, and that is, you know, I don't care what the government says. If the government wants to exile people to an island and they are your flock, then you go tend, you know. That is, that is the message.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And in COVID it was, it was turned off. Sorry, we're on hiatus. So for all you folks, sabbatical, for you folks that say government's not involved in religion, kind of yeah, we kind of laid it out here for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep. So then I think after that was where he kind of went into his little spot where he addressed the women, and now that's where all hell broke loose, because how dare this man tell any woman anything? And really all he said was basically I think the quote was I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most. First, he said you're excited to go out into your new careers because obviously you're graduating college and you're going to go most likely find a career because that's what people go to college for. You're graduating college and you're going to go most likely find a career because that's what people go to college for. But he said but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world. Oh, my God, you know what that means. Get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.
Speaker 2:Apparently, that's what that means if you're a feminist, because God forbid you take any pride or purpose in being a mother, a wife, a homemaker, because that is just beneath women nowadays. Apparently, I guess I don't know. It's the most bizarre thing to me. You would think that he what he actually said was no woman should be out in the workforce. How dare you be in the workforce? You don was. No woman should be out in the workforce. How dare you be in the workforce. You don't belong there. Go back in the kitchen. That's what they're trying to twist this into. What all he is saying is there's nothing wrong with despite what today's society tells you, there's nothing wrong with being proud to be a mother, a wife, a homemaker.
Speaker 1:It's one of the most important jobs you could possibly have, and he addressed it as vocation. Yes, that is, that is. That is. That was kind of like people got upset when he said this and then when he said it was, it's a vocation, basically it was him saying yeah, I meant to say that, I said what I said, you know yeah, um, and he went on there to talk about his wife and how, if you asked her, she would say that her life started when she chose to take that vocation and lean into the vocation.
Speaker 2:He said, lean into the vocation of being a wife and a mother and a homemaker. And if you asked her now, even though she did, back in the day, have dreams of, I guess, a career, does she regret it? He said she would laugh and say no way. She'd say heck, no, heck, no, so like. And then when he talked about his wife, he went on to talk about her and how he wouldn't be where he is today without her and her leaning into her vocation of being a wife and a mother. Um, he got choked up and I mean I thought, I mean it was as sincere as can be that you know he was grateful for her, for doing that and being a wife and a mother, yeah, and allowing him to, to be, be who he is. Apparently he's just a kicker. I love the TikToks. Did you see the TikToks?
Speaker 1:No no.
Speaker 2:All the TikToks of the feminuts talking about how, oh, I have three doctorates and I built three companies and I did this and I did that and you're just a kicker.
Speaker 1:He's a kicker with two Super Bowl rings. Makes a lot more money than you, honey, but I did that and you're just a kicker. He's a kicker with two Super.
Speaker 2:Bowl rings Makes a lot more money than you, honey, but I digress. But see, that's where they are so quick to rip a man down, right, but he's more than a kicker. He plays football, he's a kicker, but he's clearly more than that, right, he's a man of faith. He's a. He's a man of faith. He's uh, he's a um, he's a business man. Now he's like, got his own things going on, entrepreneur. He's a father, he's a lot of things, but no, you're just a kicker, honey. I have four doctorates.
Speaker 1:Don't tell me to go in the kitchen which I feel like people think like that, just I feel like this is like one of those things with Catholicism is this guy would make a great preacher. He would make a great leader. He'll never be that because he's a Catholic. Wait, say that again. He would make a great preacher. He would make a great pastor. This guy Bucker, yeah, okay, I think he would make like he probably would, he probably would, but he never will.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because because he's catholic and he's he's hardcore catholic you're saying he would make a great not catholic, but, yeah, past like pastor, I think he would make a great like pastor.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, no, because he gets it, because he's devout, he gets it, but he never will, right? Well, yeah, um, so he goes on to. Well, he also called being a husband and a father a vocation. That got lost on people, right, so he called that a vocation as well. But again, you know selective media. We didn't, we didn't pull that quote from the speech.
Speaker 2:Well, no, again what we always do right we're triggered by one little thing and we just focus on that and that's pretty much the only thing. He went up there and said. He went up, he said get back in the kitchen, make a sandwich. Mike dropped and walked away. Apparently, if you listen to the crazies on social media, Um.
Speaker 1:So right after he did that and he, he, he talked about um, he talked about the husband and wife and the vocation and the duty, um, he said to the gentlemen here today part of what plagues our society and this lie that has been told to you as men, and told you that men are not necessary in the home or in our communities, and as men we set the tone of the culture, and when it is absent, disorder, dysfunction and chaos sets in. The absence of men in the home is what plays a large role in violence that we see all around the nation. Other countries do not nearly have the same absentee father rates as we find here in the us, and a correlation can be made in drastically lower violent rates as well yeah, I don't think I don't.
Speaker 2:You know people will try to argue, but it's, it's the same. It's the same exact discussion constantly goes into why is there a disproportionate number of crimes committed by black people? And it goes right back to the same thing no father's in the home. It goes right back to the family unit right back to the family unit exactly, and it's. It's so simple to look at, but everybody wants to dance around it. Um, yeah, and he went on to.
Speaker 1:He went on to say that's a big one yeah, you know, because what's the left, what's the left left's argument for violence in America? It's the Second Amendment we shouldn't have guns and that's that's why we're so violent. Because you know it's, it is a huge part of their argument. And other countries don't have this violence because they don't. They don't have a Second Amendment, they don't have gun ownership, and you're right.
Speaker 2:They don't. I don't know that that's a statistic. I they.
Speaker 1:They don't have as many broken families. That's, that's a fact. I don't know that that's a fact. We can pull those numbers. I mean it's not really well like well, it kind of is relevant though, because I mean he's talking about violence and the violence being a derivative of the fact that you know there's no father in the home. Like that, that piece of leadership, that piece of the puzzle is missing. Yeah Right, and when you look at countries that don't have as many fatherless homes, they're not seeing the kind of violence that we're seeing.
Speaker 1:And, mind you, where is our, where is a lot of the violence? I mean, I'm not going to say all the violence, because you know there's violence everywhere, but you look at city, you look at these cities. You look at, you know, philadelphia. You look at Chicago, chicago, you're looking at LA, you're looking at New York, you know you're. You're looking at the areas where you know a lot of single moms, and a working single mom can't get it done. A working single parent, whether, or a working single father, no, can't get it done, you can't get it done no, you can't you know, it's just not a thing.
Speaker 1:It's not anybody's fault, it's just you can't get it done yeah, you know, well, it's somebody's fault.
Speaker 2:People aren't choosing properly and, yeah, you know, are not treating marriage as seriously as they should. But, um, yeah, but he goes on to say be unapologetic in your masculinity, and this is one of those topics that he's talked about. Actually, before this, he's had, you know, interviews and soundbites about, um, masculinity and ripping on, you know, the mainstream that's, you know, always bashing on toxic masculinity, um, so he went on to talk about that, but he actually I mean, he actually lectured and scolded the men more than he did the women for, for not fighting against the, for not fighting against the culture.
Speaker 2:Well, for being absent, right, like all he really did with the women was say it's okay to want to raise a family and make that your top priority. He didn't. He didn't scold anybody, he didn't tell them don't go have careers. You know, I feel like he was a harsher on the men, saying your absence is leading to all the chaos and disorder in the country, like that's a lot harsher than what he said to the women.
Speaker 1:Again, it's real, it's true, but it's still harsher I think it was harder in the catholic church and he wasn't a gaze. But right, you know. Again they've taken, you know, these two pieces of the speech out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kind of know he went on to say for the men to do hard things, never settle for what's easy. Yeah, which is great advice. Yeah, I mean that's what the early founders and frameworkers of our country did Hard things. They did do hard things and we stopped doing hard things. We do TikToks and YouTube now doing hard things.
Speaker 1:We do tick tocks and youtube now they uh like seriously podcasts, like you know what I mean, it's true, like yeah, not wrong, you're not wrong, um, you know, it's, uh, you know again, it's, it's, it's okay. It's okay to act how you believe.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then I think, he kind of.
Speaker 2:before he closed up, he went on and talked about how he said before he says it all the time, iron sharpens iron, and that the closest to us should make us better Meaning make good decisions about who you have in your life. You know, if, if you're supposedly a Catholic, a person of faith, and you're dating someone who doesn't believe what like what are you doing? You know it's going against everything that you believe. Why are you doing that? If you hang out with people that are more concerned about you know where are we partying this weekend? You know, instead of like what you know you're doing to become a better person and do great things, what are you doing? Like he made great points. I thought like there was so much of it was good points and inspirational that it's crazy that people are losing their minds over it yeah, the close uh, yep, ryan, are the closest of us should make us better.
Speaker 1:Yep, and that's uh, um. Or, if you're not dating someone who doesn't share your faith, how do you expect, uh, that person to help you become a saint? So that's a, and that's a big thing. And listen, that's a, that's a Catholic belief. And I just said the story. My grandmother was not happy to see my father come along. He was a Lutheran, like you didn't do that, you know, and I, I know, I know Catholics had all kinds of derogatory terms. You know, like, uh, presbyterians, man, it was more than once, more than once in my life, that I hear the term black Catholic because and you know it's, it's a thing because they are not, they're not really, they're not Christians. They don't, they don't follow the word like the word was meant to be followed.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Listen, man, it's people I feel like, unless you were raised, you know, from somebody who came from an old school Catholic, you don't understand how, you're incapable of understanding how they looked at other religions, and it's not favorably Because they their it was their belief that by having this church break off and this church break off, and you know, the Protestants do their thing I mean, the Protestants were. They were never good people, right, they're Protestant that they were watering, that they were watering down. I'm not saying I believe that, but they were. They were watering down the religion. They were, they were watering down. I'm not saying I believe that, but they were. They were watering down the religion. They were. They were watering down the word of God. They were, you know.
Speaker 1:And the Lutherans I went to my father was Lutheran. We went to a Lutheran church, went to the Lutheran church over in Pemberton, st Mark's, the Lutheran church. There, when I was young, the Lutheran church went through a split and I attended church during the split and the split went from traditional Lutheran to what was called Lutheran Brethren, which I think today we all considered same lutheran. But here are the you know, the lutherans right, who weren't always fans of the catholics because the catholics believed how they believed against.
Speaker 1:You know the lutheran religion, you're basically protestants and you know now the lutherans are, we're set with the same thing and they're like well, what you're doing isn't lutheran, it's not a religion. You shouldn't even call it lutheran, you should just be baptist. At that point, lutherans are, we're set with the same thing and they're like well, what you're doing isn't Lutheran, it's not a religion, you shouldn't even call it Lutheran, you should just be Baptist. At that point, like start of a Baptist church. If that's what you want to do, you're Baptist, you're not Lutheran. Okay, you know, I don't know if that ran like makes sense, but it's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know, I feel like it's not the way a lot of us look at religion today well.
Speaker 2:As a non-catholic christian, I feel like catholics are stuck in the old testament and they just completely disregard the new testament and most, most catholics will tell you they're happy to be there but it's, I mean, but I I think, um, I've heard more from what I hear, because I've never sat on a consistent basis in a Catholic church but in a non-Catholic church such as mine, I've heard more people who were Catholic coming to my church than I think. You see people of regular churches, whatever Baptist, any of them going to Catholicism. So people flee a lot Because it's easy. Not all of them think they're happy to be there.
Speaker 2:To me it feels like and this is a complete outsider from the Catholic Church You're talking to somebody who doesn't go to catholic church anymore. So, like I get it. It feels like you sit there not having a clue what's going on and then you memorize when you have to chant something which to me is just so bizarre, it's the structure and you have to pay for a lot of stuff. Well, yeah, you gotta pay for a lot of stuff, like if you really want to be a Catholic, it costs you this much.
Speaker 1:Here's how we've got to work it down.
Speaker 2:The kids got to do all these things.
Speaker 1:I feel like I know a lot of people. Yes, the kids need to do stuff. That's the structure and they believe in. Catholic Church believes in structure. There is none of this. We're going to show up and sing whatever hymns make you know us happy and and all the rest of this stuff. That that's. That's not the Catholic church. Catholic church believes in structure and a mask goes. A mask goes in lockstep as a mask goes all of the time and you could almost look at your clock and it's so routine and you it is routine, and I mean most churches are like we're human, it routine and you it is, it is routine.
Speaker 2:And I mean most churches are like we're human, it's human nature. Like you, you have a routine.
Speaker 1:Our church has a routine, but it's not like there was never the sermon yeah, I mean, it's weird to me like there was never a sermon. They would get up and they would read, but they would. They would read the word of god.
Speaker 2:I've only been there a few times I just feel like nobody's paying attention. Catholic church they're just they're. They're like they have an ear open, just enough that they know when they have to say something back to the pastor.
Speaker 1:Well, they don't even need to have the Europe or the or the, not the pastor, the priest, they're the sheep, and it's funny Cause you know.
Speaker 2:And then if they change something, people get upset. I was at well, no, no, I was at a baptism, I think, for a friend at a Catholic church, so I'm just there for that, and the guy's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and on, and every once in a while everybody around me would say something. I'm looking at Carolyn, like what did they just say? And then at one point they said something and the dude stopped and he scolded them all and said if you remember, it's not what we say. We say like they had changed something to where they're supposed to be saying something else. But but that's how much they were all paying attention that they were still, whatever the old chant back was they changed the apostles creed.
Speaker 1:I just thought it was funny.
Speaker 2:Like several times. But he scolded him and I was like, yep, he's like, yeah, you know but.
Speaker 1:But to but to your point. You said it exactly and that's you know that they are just there to respond. They are the flock, you, you are. When you are in the parish, you, you are, you are the sheep.
Speaker 2:But when you leave, so when you leave from the cathedral that day, what did you get Like? What did you get in your heart and your soul out of that day? Because I feel like, from the way my church is like, when the pastor speaks and he has a message, and I feel like nine times out of 10, it like hits home with a lot of people and they leave there. They take something from that day, from that sermon, from that you know that pastor's sermon and I don't feel like that's something Catholics get.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think my grandmother always did, I mean she was always, she was always more pleasant than when she, when she, you know, when she left.
Speaker 2:But like something that actually pertains to you and a struggle you're dealing with in your life, something that that helps you cope with those things. Like I don't feel like that you get that out of something that's basically the same thing every week.
Speaker 1:I will tell you. I think it's funny that you say that, because something about especially a church like St Anne's and anybody who's listening, who's ever gone to St Anne's will know this. Hopefully somebody listening has gone. When you used to get in the parking lot, I'll tell you what you used to get. You used to get what my mom used to call breatherly love, because these jokers just went to church and they will not let you out of a parking spot. They will, yeah, yeah I. I mean I mean it is. It is all on bumper to bumper warfare trying to get out of there. Like it is time to go on with our day and I think, I think a lot of people who are Catholic, it is, it is what you are, it is what you do, you go to, you go there every Sunday. I mean I think you know, I don't know I mean Catholicism. To me it was always. I just feel it was the routine of it.
Speaker 2:You know, read from the scripture without really breaking that what it means down to a lot of people. It means nothing to most people because most people don't even understand what you're reading.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, you're talking about giving a mass in Latin too, so I mean, let's that too, like I, don't mean.
Speaker 2:I honestly, like he's like Bucker says, like he likes that, like I don't understand how someone could like going and sitting and listening to someone speaking a language they don't know what they're saying. Yeah, what are you really getting out of that Other than that's traditional? And you feel like, oh, the words coming out of my mouth like but I'm gonna.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna apply this like differently in life. The catholics were, like my grandmother's, very upset when they got rid of the latin mass, but she had gone to saint henry. Saint henry's was like her church, you know. My mother got married in saint henry's. My uncle got married in saint henry's. You know, saint henry's was like the church in bayonne that everybody went to. So when, when they changed the mass from Latin to English and it was Latin when I was a kid and I would go to church with her when they changed the mass from Latin to English, it was a big deal and my grandmother would say it doesn't seem like a big deal to people, but this is how things change. It doesn't seem like a big deal to people, but this is how things change. They change a little at a time and it'll be a little more and a little more and they will take this and it will change, something else will change and then, in three changes, we'll be way far away from where we were.
Speaker 2:And I don't disagree with that. You know, and, and that is, I'm very into tradition and I hate we do that here in America. We're just apparently these days anti-tradition. We just ditch any tradition. We don't want tradition. I do agree with that. My question is with the Latin Mass. When they originally started doing Latin Mass, did people speak Latin? Yeah, so they understood what the heck they were being told. Yeah, but over time, if people aren't speaking Latin and you stop teaching Latin around the world, who learns Latin in America? What's the one like uh, is it, um, the doctors or is it lawyers that need to know Latin? Well, I mean, there's a lot of Latin in medicine, but so in medicine there's yes, yes, but I don't but like who goes to college and takes a Latin class.
Speaker 1:The liberals who are not going to catholic church I mean that's, that's who's gonna take a latin class. So you're saying the liberals that don't go to church. Ironically, the ones that are probably taking latin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because liberals and liberal universities typically take classes that are meaningless so I feel like in catholic school and I would have to ask my mother this I feel like years ago in in Catholic school, those kids were taught enough Latin to get to the Mass, because I mean my grandmother, I mean she could regurgitate it, I mean she knew what she was saying, but I mean, you know, it wasn't like anybody from Ireland was speaking Latin.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, true, yeah, I don't know, you know, but you know the Irish and the Protestants. The Irish had a special hate for the Protestants because Protestantism was forced upon Ireland. Protestantism, protestantism. Hello Joe Biden, hold on, I just crapped my pants.
Speaker 1:Couldn't let that go Was forced upon Ireland by England. They were at a point where they were, you know. They were at a point where they were like they were forcing. That religion I mean that's, let's face it, I mean it's how our country was founded was based upon people looking for a free place to practice a religion. Right, you know which at that time were the Puritans and you know, eventually, the Quakers. Right, and you know, the Amish and the Amish All those people wound up here looking for a land to be free of being persecuted for what religion that they chose to practice. Most of the persecution of those people was by the Protestants and by the Catholics. Ironically enough, you can assume why a lot of communities didn't like the Irish and the Italians when they came here. Right, it was the big influx of catholicism into a country that was, you know, at that time, not being catholics yeah, trying to get away from that, it's interesting how it all kind of like folds together.
Speaker 1:So sorry, but yeah, the latin mass. I think that's his point, that and I don't have a problem with that, I just I get why other people wouldn't like that's our point with second amendment, right, yeah?
Speaker 2:like at what point?
Speaker 1:at what point, like, do you not? You know, do I need a gun with a suppressor? No, but would I like to buy a suppressor? If I want to buy a suppressor, yes, because my view of them outlawing a suppressor, outlawing how many bullets I can take or, as biden would say, how many clips I can have in a magazine, you know, yeah, and you know, you know they chip away.
Speaker 2:The funny thing is that liberals try to act like um back with back in the day of you know that, that era of the constitution. You know they didn't have military weapons, of course they did. That's of the constitution. You know they didn't have military weapons, of course they did. That's where the military went and got weapons from free citizens Like they. They had cannons, that's what they had to go get extras. But when they, when they got low, they were going to recruit these people to bring their cannon and help yeah.
Speaker 1:So yeah, they've always they had competitive weapons. That's how the militia, that was the the point of a militia, yeah, of a well-armed militia, so but this is the point I mean that all ties back. That's kind of, I think, to me that's kind of what harrison booker's talking about here is, you know, by getting away from those core, what those core values of the catholic church is, the catholic church and its leadership has started to wander and be watered down and be everything that back in 1983, my grandmother said it would be, you know, as they start to give on being gay and they start to allow priests to get married and all of the talk that is on here, and they start to maybe change their stance on abortion and they do all this stuff. If you believe you are the cornerstone and the pinnacle and that catholicism is christianity, christianity is catholicism, then you have no business running the church the way that you're running the church, and that is to the biggest point of this you got the Pope over there worrying about global warming, this guy.
Speaker 2:So I mean there's a lot of problems there. There's a lot of problems in organized church in general, not the background Catholics, you know, every Christian denomination has their own problems. There's no doubt about that, because what's the, what's the, what's the um? A common theme, right, men, humans are the ones running these. Right, they're the ones left to, you know, lead these churches. And so there's always going to be bad people pretending to not be bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is the irony of feminists being all fired up over the fact that he said women should be in the kitchen when here we are speaking at a university. That is a feminist. Obviously you would never attend, right, right, you would have no business attending because you know the belief, the whole. You're not gonna see women priests no feminuts, man.
Speaker 2:They think all women think like them. They don't, but they don't. They don't realize that there are a ton of women who are very angry at the feminists for forcing them to go into the workplace because I know my wife would rather stay at home. Yeah, I don't think your wife is dying to work, right, and they're not the only ones Right. So there's, there's tons of women who would love to be able to stay home, raise kids and take care of their family, take care of their house and not have to go freaking deal with the bull crap that's out in the world, in the workforce. Yeah, but these, these feminists think that every woman, just you know, doesn't they just want to be out there just doing the same things men are, which ironically they don't do. Right, because all of there's so many jobs that women want nothing to do with and they're technically the hard jobs. Am I wrong? I don't see the women lining up to work the oil rig, you know, I don't see them lining up to dig ditches.
Speaker 1:There are definitely more male dominated professions.
Speaker 2:They want to be in all the corporate crap. That's all they want to be in is all the corporate world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like somebody who came from a a female dominated profession. Um, there are definitely more male dominated professions. Um, yeah, I mean I mean as as a nurse, I mean profession. There are definitely more male-dominated professions. Yeah, I mean as a nurse, I mean we were out number 20 to one all day long back when I was a nurse. There were no.
Speaker 2:But it ties right back into the thing where they complain about they make a dollar less than men, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well that's.
Speaker 2:It's because you don't do the jobs that are as valued and pay as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and there's a do the jobs that are as valued and pay as well. Yeah, yeah, and there's a lot of people that are going to say we got no place making this argument. But I feel like if you know your worth, you know your worth and if you settle for a worth that's below your worth, then you're settling for that worth.
Speaker 2:And a lot of worths and it makes me want to, where there's general.
Speaker 1:I mean as a nurse I never had that. I mean we all made the same amount of money. But what I will say is there were. I never had a male boss as a nurse. It was never a male nurse manager. That just didn't happen, Like you weren't going to get that job. I've had female bosses, I've had male bosses, but I'm saying in nursing, in medicine, you you were not. If, if it was, if there was going to be a male manager, it was going to be in an area like a cath lab or an ep lab, a procedural area. That is a very different environment than a nursing unit or a floor. You know it was. It was very, especially when I was, when I was a nurse, I mean I could count on, I could count on one hand, the amount of male managers I knew in in all the hospitals that I knew.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know let's talk about the, the fallout of of this speech, this commencement speech. Right other than just nobodies who, feminists that are on tiktok that are outraged, um, or just, you know, women who have chosen to not have kids and have a career, so they're offended by it, which, again, it doesn't pertain to you. Yeah, if you choose to not have a family and want to be your career driven, harrison bucker didn't say anything about you. No at all.
Speaker 1:Go knock yourself out. He did say. A woman's greatest achievement is, and it is.
Speaker 2:And any woman that has a kid will say that, and quite honestly I mean I'll say it. If you're a woman that had a kid and still values your career over your child, you're a horrible mother.
Speaker 1:You're not wrong.
Speaker 2:Because you can value them both. But you should never value anything you know, any career, job thing over your kids.
Speaker 1:But I think the devil's advocate argument that you'll get there is well, I want to be successful and work hard and provide for my kid and then I think the argument from a guy like Harrison and the argument, the traditional argument will come is that you can provide more value and worth from your kid by being there for your kid.
Speaker 2:You can want whatever you want, but some things aren't possible. Yeah, you can't. You can't be, you know, some corporate CEO banging out 80 hours a week at the office and be a good, attentive mom. It's physically impossible. There's not enough hours in the day, not enough time in the day. So you can want all you want.
Speaker 2:That doesn't mean it's possible and it doesn't mean, despite the fact that you think you're making the effort to be a great mom, if you're putting 80 hours in at work, there's no way you're being a great mom for a young child.
Speaker 2:It's one thing. If you've, you know you're doing that now, at an age where your kids are teenagers and you've spent time with them and you've molded them and formed them, and now they're a little bit older and you can go back into the you know whatever Like. But to have little children that require that constant you know energy from the mom and being there like you just can't. So it's great, you can be a feminist and say, oh, I can do it all, but no, you really can't. Yeah, you can't. They can't provide that constant leadership that you know. But so, so, aside from the feminists and obviously, um, the gay, the gay community, which had that one little quip which you're pissed about, and then I mean, I guess catholic priests who could be mad, um, like the people that are more like close to harrison bucker, right? So obviously, my home, my home, bucker, right so obviously my home, my home's released a little statement.
Speaker 2:I saw my home's a statement, I was like I don't really have a problem with the home statement.
Speaker 2:It was, it was neutered, it was politically correct, right Well basically what he says is he knows Harrison Bucker's a good person. Yeah, he believes that he was saying he was. His goal was to guide people the right way, regardless of whether I believe that in the things that he was saying. And basically you know, said that those weren't his values and his, his morals, but but he didn't have a problem when he said he judges Harrison Bucker by who he knows, who he sees daily in the locker room, the way he treats him, the way he treats people and he's a great dude. The way he treats him, the way he treats people and he's a great dude. So I know there were people you know, if you, if you play around on the internet, you're going to see people saying like, oh, you know my homes, you know, said this or said that, but like they're just making stuff up.
Speaker 1:He didn't. I mean, I watched a whole lot of my homes. It was one of the responses. I watched Cause I kind of I definitely thought that was an, but I mean it wasn't. I don't because, like I don't know, okay, you're the quarterback, but like You're a quarterback, but you're the one with the most media attention, I feel like Right 100%. So that's why I felt like it was the messaging around.
Speaker 2:Something like this is but all Mahomes managed to do was say I'm not really a man of faith. That is basically what he did. That's basically what you said, because you, you said you agree with his right to say whatever he wants to say, but and you know, he's a good dude.
Speaker 1:But I disagree with him, so I disagree with some of the things he believes in, right, so you're just not a person of faith, which is fine.
Speaker 2:So again, like it gets kind of blown up. Um, the nfl obviously comes out with a statement anytime somebody has any sort of religious or that I didn't see morally and all they really said was you know, those are his views. Those aren't the views of the nfl, which obviously I mean you support wife beaters and drug addicts and alcoholics and um womanizers and whatever other horrible like that's. Those are the people you protect. So obviously we all knew that wasn't like your views. That was not a shocker. The only horrible person you ever distance yourself from was only reason was because there was actual video evidence of that person doing something horrible yeah, and for those who don't know, so, and that guy got the shaft, because he's not the only one to ever do that.
Speaker 1:He's not the only one to ever do that. He's not the only one to ever do that right.
Speaker 2:But he's the only one.
Speaker 1:He's the only one in an elevator on camera and I don't feel sorry for him I don't know, but he's like the only one that it actually cost him his career yeah yeah it's.
Speaker 2:Find somebody else that didn't get just more than a suspension and have the opportunity to come back.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's uh, they, they, they. They did worse than that guy. You know what, whatever rightfully so, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not on the defend ray rice boat, I'm, I'm, I'm more on the, you know, ironically, his wife's still with him and they worked it out, but I mean, but I'm more on the. Why are we so easy on these other people? And it's because these people make money. I mean, let's be honest. I mean, I mean it's, it's, it's, it's a money thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean. The problem is there's too many of them doing these types of things that if they took a hard stance on it, the nfl wouldn't have as many talented players right you would.
Speaker 1:You would water down a talent. So right, you know, I mean, a thug is a thug and there's a lot of listen that there's a lot of thugs in the NFL.
Speaker 2:And then there's Taylor Swift's boyfriend.
Speaker 1:What did he see? This? I didn't get what. What did all what? What?
Speaker 2:the honestly I just I didn't what the trap he addressed it on your podcast that you like to watch, which what's it called? It's called the Heights or new Heights, new Heights, so that's.
Speaker 1:Jason.
Speaker 2:Kelsey and Travis Kelsey, the brothers that play football or did play football in the NFL. I think he addressed it on there from what I saw and again, like his quotes were kind of the same, it was I like him. He's a good guy. We've been teammates for seven years. I have no problem with him. He believes what he believes. I don't believe in pretty much anything he said. There you go. I think that's basically what he said. There was like pretty much anything. He said well, there you go. I think that's basically he said. There was like pretty much nothing he said. That I really actually agree with tells you all you need to know about him and takes me back, like I told you earlier, just kind of solidifies how I've always felt about him. Yeah, um, his brother, kind of the same thing, like it was he. He didn't really believe in the things he said, which I'm like, again, you're basically all you're saying by saying you don't believe in the things he said, is that you're not a christian or a catholic person of faith like you don't, because you don't have those same morals right or you're not intellectual enough to get into the theology and he made some comment about you know people like that
Speaker 2:I just say you know they're effing idiots and I move on. Yeah, so nothing crazy, like there's all these rumors and I don't know them to be factual at all. There's these rumors were going around on social media that taylor swift was quoted as saying that, you know, if they don't get rid of harrison bucker, travis will not be playing there next year, which I'm like you know what. There's no way that's real. If there is. Well, what a biatch he is to let her say something like that about his career.
Speaker 1:Holy crap. I believe she would say something like that, but again, I feel like Taylor's circle is so tight woven, a lot of stuff doesn't get out of that circle, so I kind of think that that's bullshit.
Speaker 2:I do too. I don't believe that.
Speaker 1:Because I feel like somehow, somehow, taylor Swift has a group of people that she's surrounded her with that they keep, they keep the circle pretty tight. You don't see a lot of like real stuff leak out of there.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't know, george, because I don't follow her or her circle. So you're telling me a lot today. Well, I mean the Travis. Are you on the Swiftie?
Speaker 1:No, I'm not Like, how do you know this? But the Travis you know in hindsight travis taylor thing was going on for a lot longer than anybody really knew about.
Speaker 2:don't care, not that I'm right, not that I give a shit, but I'm most I'm. I mean I I never liked her and now I really truly hate her because she's she's involved herself in something that I like and she has no business there.
Speaker 1:So my point is most celebrities don't have that circle.
Speaker 2:I feel like most celebrities like it just flies out to get that moment Most celebrities don't have like a cult following like she does, that would like probably sacrifice themselves on an altar for her. No, it's weird, it's creepy weird, ironic. It's creepy, creepy, creepy, weird. The the following that she has and and the craziness of money these people will spend to go see her over and over and over again, the debt they must be in to be a Taylor Swift fan.
Speaker 1:My biggest fear is that she will involve herself in politics.
Speaker 2:It's not really. It's not really. No, I don't really worry about it. I don't think she's like. No, I don't really worry about it. I don't think she's like. You can't just involve yourself in politics if you're not intelligent and have no knowledge of how politics work. Just to say I was. A couple other celebrities did it. Other celebrities have done it. Ok, were they unintelligent people?
Speaker 1:I can't judge one way or another because I didn't follow their career. That closely.
Speaker 2:I mean, I mean you could hate him or or love him. I mean, clearly, based on the world he built, donald trump is not an idiot. No, neither was ronnie reagan. Neither was ronald reagan just because he was an actor. You know, he got jesse the body and he actually got into politics and worked his way up as a governor and whatnot, just jump in kind of like Trump did Same with Ventura. He's weird, but he's not an idiot. You got Arnold. I don't think Arnold's an idiot. I think he's super weird and has some super weird opinions.
Speaker 1:But again, he was a governor. I feel like less powerful celebrities have made the jump and done it, and I don't want to go down this Taylor Swift rabbit hole, because we're talking about something that is worthwhile and I don't think she is so another person who kind of is catching heat, and that is your boy, andy Reid.
Speaker 2:Wow, because he basically came out and said that he didn't think that Bucker was speaking ill of women at all. And then, you know, they the women came out and the USA today had an article about it and they basically said that he was clueless about misogyny and he should know better. Yeah, he should know better. He should know better, apparently, and all he did was pretty much say he didn't really think that.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, I think, I think, if nothing else, I think Harrison Booker's words probably hit a place with Andy Reed that, um, you know that people can't relate to. I mean, andy Reed was an absent father, lost a son to substance abuse. You know as a son to substance abuse, you know as a good of a leader, as he was in the locker room he sacrificed that leadership to be a leader at home. Yeah, I think a lot of coaches do that Clearly, right, I mean a lot of coaches do that.
Speaker 2:So when you have a guy Because they rely on a good wife to handle the home scene Again but one person can't do it right.
Speaker 1:Well, isn't he a Mormon? That's what we? I don't, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I thought he was like I thought he went to like utah or somewhere and he went to byu.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, just because you go to byu, does that mean you're mormon? Or does that mean you're mormon for four years? Weird to not.
Speaker 2:I I don't disagree with you, but it's so bizarre. Why would you go to any university with the hundreds of them available? Why would you pick one whose core founding beliefs you don't believe in?
Speaker 1:well, yeah, you don't believe in? I don't know? I mean, do I think that everybody who was sitting at this college I thought, if you went to, byu, you had to do one of those. Uh, I don't know I, I can't speak to it one to do one of those things they have to go serve for like a year.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:They have to go on a mission. They have to go on a mission for like a year. Yeah, that is part of their school. Who?
Speaker 2:would do that if you don't believe in the Mormon religion. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, that's weird. Anyway, then there's Michelle Beadle of ESPN. So she said that Bucker hid hateful thoughts and feelings and bigotry behind religion. How do you get that out of that? No, she's a classical. How do you get anything bigoted out of that what he said?
Speaker 1:religion is religion and you know, especially again, we talked about this especially the Catholic religion Men have their place in a religion. Women have their place in religion. Women are not going to be priests, they're not going to be bishops, they're going to be nuns. There, you Women are not going to be priests, they're not going to be bishops, they're going to be nuns, they're. You know, it is a religion of roles and it is his religion. He's not hiding behind it to you know, or hiding any other message that's in it. You know, if anything, it was probably the most you know. You know, when I heard the speech, I was like holy cow, this guy is more devout Catholic than most people.
Speaker 2:I know, yeah, and that's, I think, if you learn this whole thing is hiding behind anything you learn how the, the party or the people of inclusion and open-mindedness and all that bull crap are just anything but any of that. Yeah, Because if you have an opinion other than theirs, get about it.
Speaker 1:No it's crazy. It's well. I mean again, I guess you know that can be said of you know, if you're a Catholic and you have or you saying you're Catholic and you have an opinion about anything other than what you should or shouldn't believe as a Catholic, then you know what I mean. Then you're not. You know what I mean. I mean there's not a lot of that's.
Speaker 2:That's a religion, not a political party. True, right, and if you're, and if all you do on a daily basis is spew about how your side is open, you have to be open-minded to all the oh, yeah, yeah, points and all the different dis and bolt, you know.
Speaker 2:And then someone else and oh, and I didn't touch on, was the um, uh, the kansas city local government worker who has now been relieved of duty for doxing him because went on to the Kansas City whatever Kansas City government ex-account is and basically tweeted I don't even know how you say it anymore, exed that, just a reminder, harrison Bucker lives at and put his address out there. Oh, yes, so I'm sure I mean, if I I was bucker, I'd be suing the crap out of kansas city. But yeah, and then they took it down and then something. Then the next one was like oh, that last, that last tweet was an error. We've removed it. Like no, it wasn't an error, you had a worker for you who is a flaming liberal and was pissed about what he said and put his information out there because that's you know, and doxing is that's that's illegal, that's a crime yeah yeah uh well, they try to do the same thing to supreme court justice too.
Speaker 2:Man, yeah, I don't agree, they're the party of open-mindedness and they're not.
Speaker 1:They're not. I don't even have to have an argument about that. If you think and and diversity and inclusion is on our list. By the way, foreshadowing you think this got a little, that'll get foreshadowing and I'll get, uh, that one's, that one. I'm going to cross some lines in that one, I guarantee and uh, yeah, I mean we're almost an hour and 20.
Speaker 2:And so we have had a couple of emails about suggestions. So if you've emailed and we didn't and I haven't replied, or whatever, we did get your email, did get your suggestion. So you know, stay tuned if it does come up as a topic. But we would still continue to appreciate any suggestions or topic ideas. Still continue to appreciate any suggestions or topic ideas. Um, obviously we're talking about things that we find interesting and important to us, but we also don't want to bore the crap out of our listeners. So if there are things that you know change of pace topics, cool topics, you want to see funny topics- suggestion somebody, somebody gave us so I could use a funny topic right about now I mean it's, I feel like something more light-hearted and you have an idea.
Speaker 1:I feel like 2024 ramps up, man, and we get into this like there is. There is nothing, nothing light-hearted about the future of this country right now no, we.
Speaker 2:I mean, we have six months to the election and it's uh, it's only going to get more and, in my opinion, we intense in my, we do not know who the Democratic candidate is going to be. Yeah, I don't know, man, In my opinion, I know that's a possibility, but I don't see them making that move. I feel like they're so confident in their ability to cheat and I don't think they realize how much different it's going to be this time around with the numbers.
Speaker 1:Nope, I feel like what they're doing right now in the third congressional district is exactly what they feel they have the right to do to these people. And I was talking about the presidential, but I mean but, but, but something on this local level, I mean that's, that's kind of where it breeds from Right, but something on this local level, I mean that's kind of where it breeds from right. Yeah, but Jersey's way more bold about their doing whatever the F they want About their liberalism, right, but still, it's the party. The party is the party is the party. You could do that in Jersey because you know, you got it hands down, you know.
Speaker 1:I mean they're going to put whatever candidate they want in place. They did it with Andy Kim, right? No, competition, right, no, I get that. They ran Andy Kim. So now they're going to take Andy Kim, who is a resident of the third congressional district, and they're going to run him up North Jersey to be the senator from North Jersey I can't even think of you know. So they do whatever they want and people people allow it.
Speaker 2:I get that. I just can't even think of a candidate that I would be scared of, that they would throw in last minute. I can, oh, michael Obamaama yeah, I don't see that happening. I really don't we'll see.
Speaker 1:I really don't we'll see.
Speaker 2:Well, and the funny thing is right, again, again, the party of inclusion, and they love everyone. There's a lot of old white democrat voters that are not going to vote for a woman, and that's why you saw the last one who thought she was going to break the glass ceiling Didn't. Because they don't show up, because they're not going to vote for a woman. And then, and then, the party of KKK, racism and antisemitism is going to vote for a black woman. I don't see it happening, brother. I hope not. I don't see it happening. And there was also. The fact is, yeah, sure, there's a lot of ignorant people that still worship, you know, minorities that worship at the altar of Obama, but there's also a lot of them who who realized that he did nothing for them and if had having the opportunity today to vote for him again, would not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so did nothing for them and if had the having the opportunity today to vote for him again, would not. Yeah, so yeah, especially the Latin American, the Latin American voting I thought she's already kind of said she wasn't interested anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, again, I just uh, I really don't think they want to. They want Obama to continue being the president, so they really want Biden to win again. They want Obama to continue being the president, so they really want Biden to win again. That's how he continues to be the president.
Speaker 1:I just uh, yeah, I don't trust them. But if you took nothing away from this, um, you know know that Harrison was right in the fact that he said we get the leaders we deserve, and whether that is in church and parish, or whether it is for the government or local government or the federal government um parish, or whether it is for the government or local government of the federal government.
Speaker 2:Um, I don't disagree with the statement. It's not his words, it's, it's thomas jefferson words. That's true, and you know the biggest thing I take from it, um, I mean that being huge and that being a great point, um, and totally factual.
Speaker 2:Um, I think so many of our problems in society, society today, do stem from the breakdown of the family. So a hundred percent agree that there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be a stay at home mom. There's nothing wrong with working and being a mom. But prioritizing the work over your kids and letting devices with screens raise your kids instead of you doing yourself are a huge problem. And choosing the person you choose to spend your life with and raise kids with is also something people need to take a little more serious, because dads being gone is a huge problem as well. So, basically, it all stems from the family. And when we turn out little buttheads because little screwed up kids that are anxiety riddled and stressed and want to chop off their body parts because they weren't raised properly at home, you know this is where this is where we end up in this weird, crazy, chaotic world that we're in, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1:You're not wrong, so all right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
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