Bikes, Politics, and Sports with Superman

George, Burt, and Sam talk Bikes, Politics, and Sports.  Here the story about how we all started riding, and what the first bikes we bought were.


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Welcome back to this American Ride Podcast where we talk about issues that affect you, the average American. What's up? Welcome back to the show. We are about time I hit the record button. We've been sitting here bullshit for a hot minute. I'm George. I'm here with Burton. Today we've got Sam, Superman of NJ, hanging out with us here at the studio. Excited to be here. As always. Yeah, it's good to have another guest. Always good to be here. Is this your first time on a podcast? Yes, it is. First time in a podcast studio. It's a very fictional recording, not live stream, most of it. Well nice, welcome. Thanks for coming. I'm hanging out with us for a little bit. Happy to be here. We figured we'd have you on because we know you like to talk and that's what podcasts are all about. I do like to talk with my friends. Jabbering. I think George has a plan for you today. I hope so. He says George has a plan. People don't know just two minutes ago. What's the plan? What'd you give him? I said I gave Sam nothing. He gave me nothing. Sam's got no idea. We're shooting from the hip here today. Actually, maybe we usually have a plan, notes and things to talk about. Today is just kind of like, "Well, Sam's coming on, so we'll just wing it." We'll just go. We're supposed to have Brian here. Brian's probably listening to this now and his drive to work on Friday. But I could not make it with us here tonight. You know, like a fancy written up bio about Sam, like an introduction. This is not Joe Rogan. I don't know what you're talking about. Does he really understand what I'm saying? I've never even seen the beginning of his bio. I don't think Rogan does that. I only think you know who Rogan's guest is until like 40 minutes in when Rogan's done talking about himself. But everybody likes to hear about that though. That is not the way to get famous. He runs the podcast world. He does. So, Rogan. Our buddy Sam, who we got acquainted with the one day Bert sent me this picture, this white roguelied, and he goes, "This guy follows us on Instagram or we follow this guy on Instagram or something like that, and here's the bike." That was the first I heard of Sam and then we ran into each other a while later at the Prohibition Bar. Yeah. I do remember going back to that first day. I think I was going to say something to you because you looked familiar and then I didn't. And then by the time I went to grow grab up my drink or bag of chips or whatnot, I turned around your gone and then you would post it that picture. Yeah. And I was tied down. I was like, "It was him." Yeah. So, I was with the wife at Wawa, our local Wawa and we come out and there's a roguelied sitting there and obviously we had the channel and I saw it and obviously it stood out because of your stickers on your windshield. That's why I saw it. It's sticker. What did that sticker say? It said hashtag. It said hashtag.#ThisBaggerFs. But it wasn't just that. So, you can't curse on a podcast? Oh, you can. I'm just a nice guy. It's just a nice guy. That wasn't a very young stage of the white world. Yeah. So I was like, "Oh, that's funny." And Carolyn and I was like, "Hold on. I want to get a picture of this." So I went over and I took a picture and then she's like, "Well, why don't you wait and see." I'm like, "No, sit around here waiting until I got come down." I'm like staring at his bike. Like some tool, like sweating in bikes. I was like, "No, let's go." So we left. And then I posted something. I posted it or whatever on Instagram. And then someone we know was like, "I know that bike." Yeah, big red set. Yeah. Well, it was his wife. Yeah, his wife commented that. Mel commented that. I know that bike. And I'm like, "Yeah." And she's like, "It's someone, someone." I'm like, "I know." We didn't know you at that time. So I was like, "Okay." And then I don't know what happened. I don't know what the next step of meeting you was. We ran into him at the infamous bike night at Prohibitions. Yeah. The guy got mad at me for filming in public. Look at the whole. Almost had a throw down. Because if you guys don't know this, if you're not big motorcycle people, and you're not here for the motorcycle content, you're not apparently allowed to film people's pictures or videos of people's bikes at a bike night. It doesn't make sense to me. It still doesn't make sense to me. No, it doesn't. People try to explain it. Even the hardcore people try to explain it to me. And it just, it made sense. I feel like- Come to a bike night for people to look at your bike. It was not that. I feel like it might have made sense in like 1982. But your plate, like these cops, they don't even need to be behind you to see a plate anymore. It's not like they're tracking. It's so weird. It's not like the state police are watching baggers and brews on YouTube going, "Ah." Yeah. Like three weeks ago, that bike was at the Prohibition Bar. Like, yeah. It's just so- But I drive my car and my bike all the time down the road and thousands of people get to see my license plate. Yeah. Yeah. So, a washcloth covering it for- but I do for pictures on the internet. Like why? I do love that when you put that. Like what's that? I don't get it. Like you can- Well, kinds of people see my license plate. I feel like we used to do that. Like when we first started YouTube, I would try and like block out plates and stuff like that and after while I wasn't screwed to that. It's just- People still do what they post pictures. Yeah. Block out their plate. I mean, I got a specialty plate so people do see it. So, I want to show it off. They got a picture of my cool plate, guys. Cool plate, bro. We need a new specialty plate, though. Yeah. So, the thing led to another, we met up, hit it up, hit a couple of bike nights or whatever and just kind of started hanging out. I mean, best friends for life, but- Yes. So, yeah. So now he's helping us out with this event that we told you guys about last week and we get together to ride. He comes over for the family taco night. Yeah. Love taco nights. We had a big event planning session this weekend. Yeah. That went pretty well. I think it went well. I mean, I got a lot of notes. I got a lot of notes. I know exactly who you have to follow up with that we need answers from. Again, if you guys weren't listening last week, we're doing a big charity event in July 13th. If you are someone in the tri-state area here in Jersey that has a business and you're doing a kind of vending at local fairs or any of that and you're interested, hit us up at baggers and brews@gmail.com where this American ride is 1776 at Gmail and you can be a part of it. Yeah. And it's right now we've got an awesome raffle going off with the- How many entries have you got for that? Not enough. Not enough. Never enough. We have some. We have only like five or six so far. Five or six people but more tickets sold. Yeah. Yeah. So more people, some people about more tickets. We'd walk in those tickets. Well, so one guy we know, flipping the blue- was it loomie-oil? Yeah. Guess what it was. He had just went in and made a donation right before we announced this so that he sent me a message and was like, hey, you know, can mine be as part of that? Like yeah, sure. So he had donated like $500. That's a lot of tickets. Yeah. Yeah, he's got what?$25? Yeah. And what about it? Do the math. Something like that. A couple of the people, you know, there's donations but we still have a lot of time. It's where I'm like a weekend and announced it. So we will be pushing it like draw a course on the Instagram and Facebook. There's still a lot of time. That's the good thing about jumping the gun. You know, I'm getting right to it. There's still a lot of time and we've got a lot of other stuff that we are going to be raffling off and that we have got a bunch of stuff in this week that we have to put together but we're trying to, you know, get as much attention going to the Iron Horse which is an awesome hotel just outside of Sturgis. Have you been there personally? I have not been to this hotel. I've seen pictures on it. Looks awesome. Now it looks like a cool spot. We have not been there. We've only been to Sturgis once together. Do they have the bike parking next to your room? Which one's that? I don't know. Do you know what I'm talking about? I think there is. It has the ground. It's not like, no, not the ground. No, that's on the, isn't that? That's one in Tennessee. There's one in Tennessee that does that too. Okay. The one I'm thinking of is on Route 66. I know it has that. That's a North Carolina. Yeah. What's the, I don't know the name of it. The place you're thinking of is in North Carolina. It's right in the Maggy Valley and I forget the name of that place. I feel like it's like iron something. It is iron something and there's a famous biker bar there called iron something in the Maggy Valley and both of those are close to like the Wheels 2 Time Museum. Okay. So quick disclaimer. Everybody knows we usually don't talk a lot of motorcycle stuff on this channel. This is separate from Baggers and Brews. But we'll probably talk a little bit about tonight just because of our guests. So just be prepared for that. Big Dom Idiot. Ellie knows motorcycles. That's not true. That's not true. You know, a lot about package delivery. Oh my gosh. You need to tie short. You know something about that. That's a tight short. Yeah. What can Brown do for you? Same here. Straight from work. It's a, that's good stuff. Before while we're talking about Sturgis while we're talking about our event, let's, let's take a quick minute and hear from the sponsor of this podcast who is also the sponsor. 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Click that link in the description to head on over to LegendaryUSA.com to explore their fantastic range of products and use the promo code LegendaryPod to snag your 15% off discount today. Now back to the show and thank you for Legendary USA for supporting this podcast. Yep, yep. So I have a real beef with package delivery companies. Me too. Do you? Yes. Who's your beef with? This is my mostly with FedEx because I find and this is no knock on the UPS but one of the companies that I worked with in the past, obviously this stuff is contractual and they had a contract through FedEx and we would ship these boxes that are tall boxes. So if I needed something like priority or overnight it would be like almost $450 shipping. People don't realize that. But so it would be like say $400 shipping priority first overnight, right? And then it doesn't come priority first overnight. Yeah. Because that should be by like 9 a.m. or 8 a.m. or depending on where you're at. And then this package doesn't show up to like 1 a.m. And the only reason I know that is because I, the person who ordered it and I'm sitting there waiting for it. You know, in most cases, that's not the case. And they're charging people and asking not what I think is an astronomical amount of money for service that they're not even. Yeah. I just ordered a little delivering on. My one little motorcycle part. So I called what's it a Wednesday? I called Monday. Got SBC to overnight it to me. So he sends me the email right away tracking and this was like 430. It sends me the tracking information going to be there Tuesday by 1030. Tuesday, I'm waiting because I was going to give it off to Dan to powder coat for me and nothing, nothing. And then today comes your package was delivered. So I spent the total was $145. I probably spent $80 for shipping and got in two days. Which if I would have paid $30 for two day shipping, I would have got at the same time. Yeah. So I feel like we're all the same because people, it should moan about FedEx, UPS, Amazon, DHL, they're all, yeah. It's personally me if I ship something I ship at FedEx. Just because it's cheaper. And as far as FedEx is concerned, whenever I'm tracking a package, it'll say Friday, it'll be a Monday and it'll get to me on Wednesday or Thursday. It's UPS if you see your tracking, it's supposed to be shipped or gets you on Wednesday, it'll come Thursday or Friday. It's just. You want us to edit this part out? It's going to be all right. I don't need to work. Thanks FedEx. FedEx Sky. I just like my UPS Sky better. Like the UPS Sky here, it's always the same guy for one with UPS and they always bring UPS always brings stuff up to the house. Yes, that's one thing we know how to deliver back. UPS always brings stuff up. What does FedEx do with your stuff? They leave shit by the mailbox, by the park bench, they'll leave stuff down by the road and they'll do it. That's because your driveway sucks, bro. I don't care. That's not your job. Your job is to deliver to the house. The job isn't trying to navigate that disaster of a narrow driveway. I'm a fault they can't drive. And they'll do it. What pisses me off is the last time they do it, they didn't, I was out front of the house. Oh yeah. And there's no way you didn't see me. Oh yeah. Yeah, here's your package. It's so angry. Yeah, I do. I get it. I get it. I get emails today like I was burnt. So I got to be like, I got to be angry and they thought I was burnt. It was like the perfect world. You signed your name. That was nicer than I was going to, I don't know, he's getting on my nerves. So just to go back in the history of Sam, Superman and Jay, when did you start riding and what got you into riding? So I always wanted to ride except my parents were completely anti two wheels. They're one of the families, especially my dad was the day you buy a motorcycle was the day that you're not under my roof anymore. It's like because they're so dangerous. Yeah, so he's like, I'm not going to bury my son because he made a super choice. He'd let me ride quads. I grew up on quads. So I didn't really think about two wheels like dirt bikes and stuff. A couple of my buddies had them and they had to like the smaller versions like the 50 or the 100 CC models. And I would tinker on them every now and then but again, they had no power. So it's just like it never really like stuck out to me like, oh, I got to be on two wheels. And we even live in an area where riding is like you always hear motor, especially weekends during the summer. That's all you hear. If you go to the pickle early or any of our local hotspots, you're always going to see a motorcycle. And even then it really wasn't appealing to me. And I went to college because baseball was one big thing. That was my passion. So again, the whole quad motorcycle, dirt bike stuff never really like appealed to me. I wanted to play professional baseball. So that was really my mindset and ended up hurting myself coming back home. And I got a job at a gym just to pay some bills and stuff and whatnot and kind of figure out what I wanted to do with my life. And that guy that worked at it wasn't what was before stars and stripes are like, what was it called? Brian's. Brian's. A rare general manager actually lived in Medford and he worked out at the gym. I mean, him became friends, but nothing. He never tried to sell me a motorcycle or whatnot. And there was another guy that I lifted weights with. And he was a horse. Blacksmith. I guess we would call him. It's a weird job. Yeah, what do they call him now? It's a different name, but as blacksmith is like, he does like the shoes of the horses. And he wanted to make some extra cash on the weekends. So he started working for Harley Davidson and Brian's and he was like, walked in one day and he's like, do you like motorcycles? And I was like, you know, I've always wanted to have one. And even then at that point, I always thought sports bike, that was my mentality because I'm not going to be caught that on a geyser glide. Because they still hold that name. And I was like, there ain't no way I'm doing that. And he's like, listen, he's like, we have a couple like bikes that look kind of sleek and whatnot. And he's like, just come to stop by. He's like, I'll be there. This was Friday the time. He's like, I'll be there tomorrow morning. Just come and check him out. And I walked in and it was, I guess it was a, he's like, I have a leftover here. It was a V-Rod. It was a 13 V-Rod. And he's like, just sit on it. And I was like, I looked at it. I was like, it kind of looks like a sport bike. Had that big 220, I think it was a 220 rear tire. It was black and red. The tank was beautiful. It was a liquid cooled. And I sit on it. I turn it on. At that time again, I've never really been on a motorcycle like of that nature before. So I said I've read the engine. And of course, now I know that it was just, it was silent. But to me, it was like, oh my god, this is awesome. That's a rumble. I was like, I want this. He's like, all right. So I literally bought the bike that sat like that morning. I had no idea what I was doing. I didn't have a class. He was like, well, you can't ride at home because you have to be licensed. To do it. So I took a course in Patterson, New Jersey. And we were talking about the gettos earlier. That was, that was the motorcycle safety course in Patterson. Yeah. And it was pouring rain for two days. It was like 35, 40 degrees out. I'm all, so again, I've never done this motorcycle stuff. So I went out and I got the big, like the Milwaukee chaps. And I'm all like bundled up in my big old oversized coat. Milwaukee chaps. What is that? Milwaukee leather. And they're just huge because I was wearing jeans and sweatpants and leggings underneath. The hard, I would start about it. Yeah, I want to be like, yeah, what's that video about? I'm guy that was like, what is his name? Like bad ass Billy? Like, don't make fun of me guys. Like, you know what video I'm talking about? He's like sitting in his buddies recording. And he's like, you know, you're going to be prepared to get an old bike or fight. And he said, no, man. And he's like, just take a pull stick and pretend you're wrecked. But if you could picture that guy, I wish I knew the name of it, but the YouTube video is hilarious. But I literally looked at that. I took the class and the class was really useful. So if anybody like getting into riding for the first time, that kind of just wants to take the test because they don't want to take the course, they ridden dirt bikes or what they feel comfortable on two wheels or if they don't, they just want to take the test to ride the motorcycle. I highly recommend taking the course because it taught me a lot. And I still go back to methods that they taught me about when I forget how old I was. But, so I remember going on vacation and Brian's Harley delivered my bike while I was on vacation. And then I was like, starting to get super excited. I got home and of course, they were snowing on the ground because this was, I think it was February here. I plowed the driveway. The roads were sure as plowed. I took it out. I start going down, this was Brandon Road at the time. I start going down Brandon Road. I make like a right turn. And I like kind of like almost lost it because again, from what we took on the course, we drove like a Mo-Pet and looking thing. It was a 250 Suzuki. Was it? Yeah. So you and I took the same course. You took your class and Patterson a biggie's toy box. Yeah. And was a blonde lady or one of the instructors. I had two guys. One was like a Hawaiian looking guy. Yeah. Yeah. And the other was like a skinny dude. Yeah. So it was hilarious. We took the same course and we needed the driving section was in the-- That little parking lot. And parking lot. And how did you go all the way to Patterson? That was in Fairland. It was all they had. There weren't many that were available. So you had New Brunswick and New Brunswick used to get sold out a lot and actually Justin. What year's this? So I bought the bike in 2014 in the winter time. So there was stuff here at that time. You could always get spots. Because the Barb's had one. Well, Barb's was more-- The one Carolyn did was out of a community college down by Ocean County. No, it wasn't Ocean County. It was down by-- Oh, dang it. Blackwood area. I forget what community college that was. But yeah, I mean, that's-- Because I didn't mind in '13 at a Barb's. So there's one in Patterson. Was it a dealership or was it-- No, it's an MSF course, motorcycle safety foundation course. So they did a couple of these. Patterson was one and Justin, who you know Justin, his father used to teach the New Brunswick one. That was at Bush Campus in New Brunswick. And they were hard to get spots sometimes. OK, and I'm trying to think now. So the one at Barb's-- That's MSF, too.--where you would get-- It is. Yeah. Take the written there as well. Yes. Maybe they get everything there. And then all you did was just take your documents and-- Yeah, get the little permit. Yeah. And then just take it to the DMV. Yeah, that was the go. Patterson course was good, though. I mean, it was mostly cops who taught it. Yeah, those bikes were super tiny. So again, fast forward. Here I am. I make a ride on Brandon Road. And it's like, again, there's snow on the ground. It's freezing cold. But I didn't care because I was so excited. That's maybe why I like cold riding that. Because that was like my first ever. I pulled into the post office. And I was like, sitting there. And I'm like, I can't find my keys. Where are my keys? Because I put them in the little side. And I turned it. And I was supposed to pull them out. But I thought-- because again, I don't know what I'm doing. I thought they just stayed in there. I'll see because you wrote dirt bikes in a key. So I'm like, here I go. First time riding my motorcycle when I had my spare key and the main key on that. So I guess the weight of it kind of just pulled it out. Oh, yeah. So I'm like-- So now I turn around and I start backtracking. I go to make a left. And again, I'm used to that little bike. So-- Least still wrong. I'm like, oh my god, the bike's not turning. I start leaning. And there's a huge-- it's where the asphalt always gets built up, or not built up, but taken out. There was a huge pothole. It was filled with snow and water. And I go right into it. And I drop my bike and not six feet away where my keys. So I want to start-- I was like, it was like fate for me to do that. No, that's the-- You're dumb. But OK, here's your keys. Let's not do this ever again. So it's basically saying, go home, dummy. Yeah, so I went home. So I went home. So I went home. And the key was all burnt up, melted. And I put it in the garage. And I probably didn't ride it for like-- I want to say two or three more months until the weather started warming up. And that year, I didn't take it out that much because again, it really wasn't super comfortable. It was fast and like a straight line. But I would only like kind of bar hop with it. And then I was over it. And then my buddy would just keep flying with me. Like, how's your bike? I was like, yeah, it's good. And then in 2018 came around, I started like sitting on the geyser glides. And I was like, all right, I can do one of these-- You mean road glide, street glides, touring bikes. And for those of you that don't always talk about it. So I go up to Brian's again. And I test road like it was like a 99-- do they even make ultra classics back then? It had the whole-- the works. It had windshield that I couldn't even see over. But I liked it was comfortable. And I was like, all right, I can do this. And then I was like, you know what? Maybe I was like, I don't really ride that much. So like a couple of months went by. And I'm like, I think I put 7,000 miles on my bike when I eventually traded in my V-Rod. And that's when the new white models came out in '18 with the-- it was the Bonnable saw pearl. So I really caught my eye. And I was like, I was like, this is great. And then of course, you look at the-- I look at the price tag. And I'm like, I work at a gym. What this is before you test it. Oh, wow. Or now it was two years into UPS. Sorry, but I still didn't make a lot. I still was only making $19 an hour. And the bike was, I think, tags for $28,000. And I'm like, I can barely pay my bills now. And then, who I was with at the time, just kind of like, talk me if you really want it, you should do it. Maybe it'll curb your enthusiasm to want to ride more. So I sat on a street glide first, because I like both of them. Again, I didn't know. Everybody had street glides back when I was looking. So that was the first one I took out. And I took it out for maybe 15 minutes in the guy that was my buddy Craig rode the road glide. And we eventually switched. And as soon as I sat on the road glide, I got to one traffic light. That was maybe 10 seconds away. And I said, this is what I want. So I went back, signed the papers, walked out with the road glide. Nice. And that's when I really started putting on like I just couldn't get off the bike. And I was trying to get like over the baseball thing. And motor cycles really took me-- Oh, yeah.--the depression out of baseball. Like, hey, you need to move on. And this is like a new journey. And I started riding just like I tried to get to every show. I started meeting all these different people. And every vacation I had, I took a bike trip. Every weekend I had, I took a bike trip. And I was just-- I was laying them down. I put on almost 75,000 miles and about two years. Wow. That's a lot. And then I started running into-- I started wanting to build the bike to this performance level. And that's when my ride and kind of took a notch because I always had problems. Is that what you call that a notch? Not too much. Is that what you call it a hundred and twenty miles an hour at night to the pymarins and notch? But it sucks because I love the-- I got so used to it and never having problems with my bike. And then this performance stuff comes out. And again, it's been out forever. But it was kind of like the social media coming out. It kind of just pushed it. And you start following different things and people. And trends, I guess, was-- and I was like, I want to do this. So again, I slowly started doing it, the motor, the cam, and then shit just started hitting the fan. And my bike would be down for two months. And I had to save up to fix it. I'd get it back on the road. And then something else would happen. So it was just like one thing after another. So my riding since then, since I traded in that bike, which I thought that bike towards the end of its time was a nightmare. This one's 10 times worse. Yeah. So for those of you that-- this is your first experience with Sam. He's the joke for those that know him as that's bike. He's never up and running. It's just always has something wrong with it. You-- The answer. Yeah. It's-- you know, he rides hard. But it's mind blowing to the rest of us that we can't figure out what the heck is the deal with. With Sam and his motorcycles, and something's always broke with it. I give him credit. I mean, he rides it regardless. Unless it just won't run. He went on our baggers and brews group ride that we do. We've done for the last couple years. And what we were like, we can all accord oil at every stop. That was bad. We had a cardboard under there and he's adding oil. And this is just a day run. People went out for fun. People were getting sprayed with oil as he was passing on it. Sprayed with oil. I got to know, though, what is the drive? Is it not enough power? I don't-- Like, what is-- because it does a stop. Like, it's-- What is enough power? Yeah. That's-- you know, what is-- I don't even-- I think it had. My white bike, again, that was just cam before eventually. I took off the heads. But that was only-- I made that a 124. But even before that, it was just a 107 with a 468 cam in it. And it had power. Again, not what this bike has. And then I went up. I got the 131. But that just turned out to be the disaster. But that's just the way Harley makes it. And I knew when I got the bike that the problem with this bike is going to be the lower end. And eventually-- It went. Yeah. Unfortunately, it happened at a really bad time, because I was going down to Daytona. But I had the right insurance. They replaced it, put a new one in. But then I had the same thing was in the back of my mind. Well, it's going to do the same thing. And what happened? It did the same exact thing. So that's when I was like, all right, I'll drop down in the cubic inches. But the one that moonshine built for me actually ended up having more power than my 131 with, I think, I had a 590 cam in it. So you're saying sizes and everything? Sizes and everything. Yeah. Well, to tell about those shorts. It had a little-- Yeah, it has a little bit more bells and whistles in it. But the power's there. It's just-- I can't even explain the problems that I have anymore. And people will message me and bike builders that I have been coming friendly with. And they just don't-- they're like, some of the stuff that happens to my bike, they just don't see Mike from Get Lower. He was just like, I don't understand how-- How that happened. And then he looks at my burden, the rest of wiring up front. The wiring is interesting. The wiring is interesting. The wiring is-- I think the bike was much more interesting before you had a fairing. I think it was definitely a conversation piece at that point. And anything with a headlight like tape to it that does probably 150 miles an hour plus-- Headlight in the T-shirt. It was a big T-shirt. That was-- It's a kind of every piece. It's a cut to a cut to everything together. So what is it that draws you to riding now? What do you love about riding now? What do I love about riding? Actually, I've never actually been asked that question. I don't think-- Because obviously, to do it as much as you do it, you love it. Like you say yourself, you typically anywhere you go, you take the bike unless there's some crazy reason you can't. Yeah, I think, honestly-- and I don't know-- this could sound cheesy to most. I don't know. But you meet a lot of different people and you build friendships that you never thought that you would have. And it's weird because you only see these people, maybe once, twice, three times a year. I want to say max when you go to these shows. And you meet them. And another event will happen somewhere across the country. And you could possibly run into that person. You end up staying with these people. And they just become the lifelong friends. So I think it becomes much more than riding at that point. Again, it sounds corny, but to me, I love meeting the different people that I see. That's why I met Jay from left lane. I happened to go-- this was a trip that was unexpected. It was the one weekend, the week where I went to LaConia the first weekend, and then I followed up the second weekend. But I ended up making a trip. I went to LaConia. And then I shot down to the Smoky Mountains by myself, just because I wanted to ride. And I literally slept-- because I got in the Tennessee so late. So I slept on the side of a mountain. I had my little tent that I pulled over. I slept for maybe five hours. And then I started riding. And I had no idea where I was going. I wanted to go towards the coast to hit 95 to get back up. And all this stuff on social media started popping up. It was the first Bikes in barbecue. Bikes in Peru's barbecue. And-- Bikes in Blues in barbecue. In Arkansas? No, it's in South Carolina, North Carolina. There was one Virginia Beach. It was originally in Virginia Beach. I think there was some local brewery. And it was small event. And I knew it was Bikes in Barbecue. I think it's-- Was it Bruce? Bruce in Barbecue. Because it was out of my-- It was out of my-- It was held at a local brewery to them. So I started seeing all these posts. And there was a couple of people that I knew. Again, they were like, I had nothing to do. I had no idea where I was going. I was like, eff it. I'm just going to go there. I went there. I met up with Travis from Mount Caste Culture and talk with him. And then I ran into Jay. And me and Jay became friends. And then I headed back up the coast and a couple of friendships on it from there have kind of blossomed. And yeah, so to me, I think it's more-- like I met you guys through motorcycles. And we'd become, I think, pretty good friends at this point. Yeah, I think if you'd have told me from that first night at Prohibition, if we'd all be sitting here, like two and a half years later, or three years later, whatever it is, doing a podcast. Just a little fun. I remember correctly from the time of podcast. The time we saw him at Prohibition, that day that you got punk. I think-- I don't even think we'd spoke. George came up to me. I said, I don't. I think he came up to me. He gave me a head nod. I didn't really like-- Did I make him shake his hand? I don't think so. I don't think so either. You were. Because you came up to me and said, hey, I'm George from Baggers and Thruz. And then, hey, nice to meet you. And we kind of just-- that's when you walked off in there. You guys started filming and then stuff hit the fan. And then at that point, I was too busy me and mugging that dude until he left. Like, focus on anything that goes. But then after that, where did we-- So the story is this guy yelled at me basically for filming bikes for people that don't know. He was like, people don't want their bikes filmed. And I'm like, you know, whatever. But it was also kind of shady because there was a club there. And there were a lot of dudes who were in club t-shirts, but not club colors. And you definitely, someplace where-- you don't know the environment. We've never been at that bar before. I didn't know. And they were kind of fairly new at the time. I think that might have been their first year. The bar has always been there. But as far as ownership was new. Yeah. And I didn't-- I think it was tough to gauge the club situation. You didn't know who was one. I didn't know if that guy was at the time, because you don't know. I mean, we realized when he pulled his bike out, he was clearly not in the club, because he could not navigate a gravel parking hole. Like that. He was trying to like a cripple. He was like, leaving the parking lot. I mean, it was almost comical. I was like, really? So-- And he was the one that was-- Yeah. He was just trying to-- He was trying to be hard to ask for everybody. I think he felt like he had an audience. So he went-- There wasn't even a lot of people there that day. There was. And the dudes whose bike I was filming was tickled that I was filming his bike. It was a cool sporty chop, and he had this gas tank, where he had basically these hollow points through the gas tank. It was a cool looking-- It was a cool looking-- It was a home built-- kind of home modified and at home built. He used that word built. But a home modified old ironhead sports stair that was a cool bike. And that dude was like, happy as could be. And then this guy got kind of mouthy. And I think a lot of people who were there probably-- a couple of people probably had the same inclination. Somebody's trying to just start some shit to get a response, just to-- I'm never going to mind it around the game. It was like real shady how he did it, because-- It was. It was a special-- You were recording the bikes. And I was way back further, kind of recording the overall-- kind of recording you recording the bikes. And so he kind of addressed you. And he was up on the deck. And he's like, what are you doing? And I think-- I thought it was going to-- I thought it was going to be like, what are you doing? Why are you filming kind of a thing? Curiosity, but he was just being a dick. And you said, oh, just filming for whatever. And he's like, and then he's kind of went into his, well, people don't want you filming there. He got all lippy and nasty. And I was like, oh, and then I was kind of waiting to see George's reaction, because George wants to give FICI with this dude. And let's go. But George's like, all right, man, whatever. And he kind of just finds whatever, not trying to make a big scene. So he was like, I'm just going to put the camera away. All right. That guy needed to be a smacking man. Because I think not soon after that, that's when that bar-- I'm sure-- had to do something with that night, but they did the no color thing. It was no color-- I thought it was. I thought it was no colors that night, because nobody had jackets, they had t-shirts. And that's kind of like the-- Yeah, I don't know. I don't call-- That's like a club workaround. Because I noticed that right away. Always the club workaround is usually t-shirts instead of wearing cuts. So there were a lot of club t-shirts there. What's your thought on that? It's the same thing. That's what-- It's the same thing, but like-- Just all I want. Yeah, I'm not trying it. I'm not-- Right. This is a no disrespect thing towards people or motorcycle clubs. But it literally, to me, is the same exact thing as a cut. Yeah. I mean, it's not because I feel like in the club culture, a cut is sacred and a t-shirt is a t-shirt. But I feel like when you're in the environment of going into a business that's specifically stating no colors, it's the same thing. It's the same thing. You're wrapping the same. I wouldn't want to be there anyway. If a bar was-- And again, most of them don't go to places that are no colors, just because-- Yeah, right. I feel like the real ones-- It's like, I want to wear my cut. I'm proud of my cut. More power to you for that. Yeah, most of them won't-- Most of them won't-- They'll say it won't work. They'll say it won't work. They'll just be like, f that place, or it's where we're just going to sh-- shun that place because they're not taking their cut off to go to the bar. Yeah. So I'm just saying, you know, I wouldn't-- Which what you should do if I wouldn't be my mother-- I wouldn't either. To support somebody that doesn't appreciate the culture. The only people I knew, who club that I knew, guys, who would take their cut off, were some of the blue night's guys if they were riding solo. Now, the question-- Sorry for cutting off. Do they take it off? Because I heard this is a thing, too. I've actually been with people that this is a thing. Do they take their cut off in the parking lot? Or do they ride down the road, take it off, and then come back? Oh, I know. I don't know. Because the blue nights, if they were riding solo, they would not wear a cut. Just because they become a-- It's a safety. They become a target. So that was always a thing with them. And because a lot of those guys-- I've heard with a number of those guys early on, because the blue nights were a lot of them kept bikes at Biggestoy awesome Patterson, but a lot of them kept bikes at their clubhouse, which was only like two blocks away. And one of the guys who told me how to ride was an honorary member. But-- An honorary member. Yeah, so-- Club-- If you-- How does that work? So with clubs like the blue nights, I mean, some clubs are obviously heard from membership. I mean, you and I could go down and be a member of our local VFW because our father served. Seriously, we could. It's not really a club, though. Aren't they like-- No, but it's just like an honorary membership kind of definition the same thing. They're like RCs, aren't they? So could I be a VFW since my brother serves? But you could. We should do it. We should all do it. I'm done. I feel weird doing it. Just not doing it. I just-- I didn't earn it. I don't know. I just-- I just-- Yeah, the rules. I just feel like-- But the blue nights club had a number of honorary members. So you had to have family who was law enforcement. And the guy who I learned to ride with his son was a Patterson cop. So those guys were-- they could ride. I don't know. Go on back. I feel like you should have to earn it. Like if you're in a military branch, based, or police officer, or EMT, that kind of status, I don't believe, again, what I just brought up is my brother's in the military. Well, I should be able to do it now. I mean, you got to earn it. Yeah, I would never. But I guess some of these clubs would die. So what are the nom nights do? That's what I mean. Some of these clubs would die. You basically form a club around something that's-- it's got a life expectancy. Well, I mean, clearly there's guys in the nom nights. They had to. They had to. They were not-- Chains rules and make bylaws. Because I mean, you're going to run out of people that were in nom. Yeah. It's a novel when we came up with it when we were all young. And Natavia and Alma Wright motorcycles, but then what happens, you know, a generation later? Yeah. Knock on the nom nights. Yeah, it's a-- I don't know what the rules are now. They obviously have bylaws because you see young guys in a net clearly didn't serve in Vietnam. Well, and I feel like a buddy of mine's father was in the nom nights for a while. And he was military, I believe. But he was-- again, I don't think he was in-- he served during nom. But he prospected for the club, I think, in his 60s. Did you mad? He was like a 60-- Could you mad him though? I'm sure that was some serious prospect in that game. He hasn't thoroughly do it now. It was like not long ago. It was maybe within the last decade. I can't promise. It's probably harder back in the day now. That's all I'm sure. I'm sure they had the paddles and everything. I feel like it was a fraternity for Alice. I feel like it's-- That's what you're close to. If it's anything like the rest of the world, I'm sure it's-- I like-- you hear so like-- Again, these are just stories. So I can't say if they're 100% accurate or not. But guys wouldn't get patched in for like 3, 4, 5, 6 years. It was till they-- Yeah, until they felt like-- Most of the time now, it's like a year. But some will even get patched in before a year. Hey, you want to be with us? And they slap a vest too. Yeah. So-- It depends upon the motivation of the club. And it depends upon a lot of things. I mean, I feel like the more involved the club is in illegal activities, the harder it's going to be for you to get to the inside. Are we going to get in trouble for talking about clubs? I don't know. General Sus. I mean, I'm not claiming to be an expert. So go back to where you wrapped around to me. So what got you into riding? When did you start? Ah, my old-- You're next. You're next. Yes, that's FW. You give him fair warning. That's-- you always give him special treatment. You don't have to go first. No, that's fine. My intent was always to buy a sailboat. Honestly, I grew up on boats, and I grew up around boats. And I was always-- I was on a motorcycle a very young age, because my father had a little Honda fat cat trail bike. And I just-- we actually dug up a picture not long ago of me like sitting on the tank of that thing. We always were like-- How old were you? At that time-- He had me on that bike probably four years old, riding around the back trails of country lakes on that bike. So not unfamiliar to bikes, but it was never-- I mean, I don't know. I worked in a hospital, worked around a lot of bike accidents. I saw a lot of stupid squids come into the hospital. Did that bother you? A little bit. It gets you thinking, what are these idiots doing on a motorcycle? Hold on, hold on, hold on. I mean, they're trying to-- I can't even finish my story without you. You can go back to it. I just-- you said something that I have a question on. Because this is-- I see it come of all the time. And I still don't-- I've been riding for-- however long I've been riding. What's a squid? A squid, as somebody who basically has a motorcycle accident so bad, they're just flopped. Squid. You didn't get that? Yeah. There's no structure left. They're just-- I've heard it. I've heard it used a million times. I've never heard it. Yeah, there are many senses to what the context was. They're just jelly. You hit a barrier doing a hot-- OK. Because I thought it was-- I thought the way I heard it, I thought it was more in line with the rub. And I'm like, OK, what's the squids? Rub is rich urban bikers. It does have even some-- Which is-- And we go on with the chlorophyll. So yeah, I mean, you would see some of that. But then, regardless, I was like, ah, my brother always talking about getting a bike. I knew my buddy Dennis Rode. And he had a road glide before the Rucksmore Mono Road Glide. So how old are you at this point? Old. This is 2000. I bought the bike in 2009. So I don't know. That was early '30s. OK. And-- Yeah, like '33 or something like that. So Stacey walked into the office one day, and I'm looking at the Harley website. And I said, here we go. I said, I think I'm going to buy a Harley. And she looked at me, and she turned around, and she walked right out of the room. And that was-- that was-- She didn't give you like a-- No, it's not a conversation. She just turned around and walked right outside, right right out of the room. Gone. So you continued the look? So Harley had a trade-in trade-up program, which was-- actually, it's a great program. So you basically-- It's gone. It's gone. But you bought a bike, and you got MSRP if you traded it in within a year. So-- They ran that a few years back with the sports shirt, didn't they? They did it again. So my first bike was a sports shirt. I had a 1,200 custom black and orange. 21-inch wheel, black and orange, 1,200 C. So that was-- I didn't know what the heck I was getting into. I feel like we all started like that. I know. I didn't know. And you bought a V-Rod. You sit like a clam on those things. And I did love the V-Rod, but I wasn't comfortable with it. It wasn't comfortable at all. So the-- and the V-Rod muscle was out that year in 2009. That bike was nice. So I went out to Tramonton and bought the sports to they gave me a great deal, because I went to Berlin. Oh, it was a sports shirt in '09. I don't know. Six grand? No. It was like maybe like-- maybe eight, like 7,000 nine. Because it was the 1,200 C. It wasn't the-- And that was out the door? Yeah, that was after-- I feel like that was out the door. And then I bought a warranty on top of that. So the warranty was extra. Didn't do anything to the bikes to buy a backrest that never probably never got used. And I had the bike for a few weeks. I learned a ride to the bike. Took the motorcycle safety course after I bought the bike similar to you. And I took a ride. I had a day off of work. I'm like, you know, I'm going to ride up to Orange County choppers. So I'm like, all right. That's the New York, right? New York. That was in North Jersey. So I get up. And I'm getting like-- I don't know. I got like three quarters of the way there. My ass hurt me. So fucking bad. The bike was like a vibrating mess. You couldn't even see how-- 55 miles an hour, you could not look into the side view mirrors because they were just like--[INAUDIBLE] Whole fucking bike shook on the highway. The thing was it was-- it was great from like 0 to 50. And anything above 50 was just not a good time. So-- This was a stock seat, too, right? Stock seat. And before that-- I rode stock forever with the Beerotic. Just stayed stock. I didn't know anything other else. Your ass is so numb. It's like you could be shit in yourself and you could not know. That's how bad. I was like, this is not good. So I went down to Bergen Harley the next day. And there was this 2009 crossbones sitting on the floor. And I sat on that crossbones. And I was like, this is the one. That was it. It was like, strip-off or crossbone. Because you thought that was going to be a more comfortable ride. Well, it was by how much? By actually by a lot. I actually believe by a lot. It was by-- it was by-- In a different way. I rode that bike. But it was by-- Did you really? I think-- but here's the thing. So I only rode that sports there for a few weeks. And then I went right to a springer. So I didn't know any better. I thought all the young, Roman, and Missing-- Front end was like a rock and hit every bump at like, chatter to your teeth. I thought that's the way riding motorcycles was. But I love the crossbones, mostly because you didn't see a lot of them on the road. They're still popular now. And parts of the country, they are popular. And they'll go for like 15k. Yeah, I got it. Some of these. Good trade in our mind. So it was nice. But I called Stacy from the dealership. And I was like-- I'm happy with it. So what was her reaction when you got the sports there? She was all right with it. Because she grew up on motorcycles. I was just like a dinner table conversation. So she walked out of the room. No, we kind of missed that part of the show. I want details now. I wore down. She grew up on motorcycles. OK, so there was no-- There was no fight. There was no you being dumb. You can't have a boat and a motorcycle. That was the line. So the boat kind of went-- The boat kind of went by the wayside. And that was like a kind of easy transition, like. So I mean, I still-- I miss sail and I sailed competitively for a long time. OK. You know, I do-- I definitely miss that in the summer. But it's-- I called her from the dealership and I was like, listen, this is what the payment's going to be. So did she know that you were going to the dealership? No. So this was-- That phone call was the first time that she knew-- Was me trading-- buying the crossbones. And I said, I'm leaving the sports to her because I need you to trick me up. So yeah. You couldn't ride a home? You didn't ride the-- They had to prep the bike. Yeah, it was the days. Like, Bergen said, dealer that takes time and preps a bike. I hate that. I told him when I went to my wife, they-- Yeah, it's the day. I said, I don't clean it. I don't want to detail them. Give me the bike. I want to know. They detail it. They did a good job. And then yeah, rode the bike home. You know what? About a week later. Labor day weekend. Wait. So with the phone call. 2000-- oh, yeah. She was like, she was happy. She was like, you're doing what? I was like, I trade in the sports store. If this is the payment, I'm good. I'm trading it in right now. Yep. Done. Done so. It was just like six weeks. I was on a sports store for six weeks. And I traded the bike in. And you put other things in six weeks. Not a lot. I didn't make it to 1,000 miles service. That's why I feel like most people, again, it's the starter bike. And people always tell you not to do it. Like, don't get the sport. Like, I always tell people that are kind of like-- I guess I want to say, like, I get 25 and above. They want to get a motorcycle they've never ridden before. They're like, oh, maybe I'll get a sports you learn. Now, get us start with a soft tail. Buy a soft tail. Buy a soft tail because they're still, again, they're not super comfy, but they're bigger than a sports there. Yeah. And it's just not so much a jump thing because a sports or a sushi ride, like, you rode your six weeks, people get a sports there right after a week. And they're like, I need something bigger. And it's always a problem. I need something bigger. Well, should have got a soft tail. It's crazy. Like, when you go into the dealership, I go into the dealership now. And I throw my leg over a sports. They're like, god damn it, it's a bike. I can't. I don't even throw my leg over a sports store. It's so small. It's crazy. But when you first get it, how big was the V-Rod when you first got it? It was a bad habit. The thing was huge. I thought it was the most powerful thing in the universe. Listen, you're six, four mammoth. I know that's soft to her. It was a small bike. All right. So you buy the springer. Comes to you six weeks later. And then I kept the springer. I moved down here with the-- Well, you had to wait six weeks? No, no, no. I only-- No, six weeks for the sports store. Yeah, six weeks for sports. They bought the springer. And then I owned the springer from 2009 to 2000, probably 18. How many miles did you put on that? Not a ton. Not a ton. Yeah, you just don't want to put miles on those bikes. But it was different riding. Because in New Jersey, I feel like we were in the mountains in good riding and not that far of a distance. I feel like if we went out there on the week, we rode out to get dinner. It just wasn't that far. Because New Jersey's so much more compact. I mean, I could be up into Orange County, New York in 20 miles. So it's like-- There were very few days where we were out putting on the miles. I feel like in South Jersey, things are so much further parts when you go for the day riding. You do ride further. It's a weird thing. But never used to go around. And I went to World of the Shore every year. That was like the rally. That was like my big trip. That was my big trip, man. That was the Super Bowl. I used to take-- it was. It was my biker Super Bowl. I heard it was-- I never had to feel in that. That's how George and I-- That's how we started riding again. Got met, but got re-equated. Yeah, that's how we started riding together. So my road to the shore, I would take off all week. I would like-- Listen, yeah. You stay down there? I would take off all week. I would do the command and see my parents for a couple days. And then I would head down to the shore. And I'd meet my buddy Dennis and some of the guys who were down there. And we'd hang out for the week and go get seafood and walk around offenders. And we was leaving that one year, probably the year before I met you, or maybe two years before that. And bad weather. It was like shit weather. And Dennis is a FedEx driver. So-- but FedEx freight. So he was a FedEx freight guy. And I'm like, dude, just stay the day. We're like, let the storm pass and ride your bike to FedEx and be there by work in the morning. Like this weather is, it was bad. I mean, it was like that kind of shit we had yesterday here, like bad. And he was like, nope. Been riding. He was riding since he was 17. He's riding his whole life because I've ridden it in the shit a million times. I'm going. And I'm like, all right, we'll call him when he get there. So I'm not getting to call him. I'm not getting to call. He's not picking up his phone. His son calls at like six o'clock that night. He's like, listen, dad, lend down. And he went down getting off the parkway onto Route 20. Raby, because he came off the throttle. The road was slick and the bike just went out. And broke his hip and had a tough time with the hip recovery at the time. I don't know. He was like 58. But had a tough time with the hip recovery. It's the point where he never got a bike again. Still to this day? Still to this day. Yeah. But he broke his hip. He had surgery. And then he was in the hospital. And he got dizzy. And the nurses dropped him and the hip popped out and had to have surgery. So he had surgery two or three times in this hip. It was like, if this, it's not worth it. Yeah, especially that age. That's a nobueno. So I kind of thought he would buy a bike again. And it was tough because I were riding with the guy. But everybody's got to do their thing. And he's the guy that got me going to the shore. And then I think probably the next year, this guy posts on Facebook. Big Facebook guy. Big Facebook guy. Going to the shore. Through what the post was. Anybody going there? I was like, I just kind of got the bike. And I'm like going to the world of shore because I'm just learning about this thing. You know, it's all new to me. And I'm like, anybody going? Let me know. Was that your first season at the bike? Yeah, I think so. And he was like, I'm going. And I was like, Carolyn, who's George G. Akona? She's like, we went to high school with him, dummy. Like we did. Nice. I was like, yeah, there you go. All right. I'm going to go, sure. So the rest is history. And that's when you started? That was your first season. So what's that? We're in 14. Yeah. So yeah, so it would have been 14. It would have been 2014. 2013 is when I got my license. And I don't really have an exciting story about why I got a bike or how I got a bike. You want to ride the whole life? I had no, no, I just never even thought most of my life up to the point. Did kids change that? The kids had nothing to do with it. Man, I mean, I got married. I had kids. And I still never even really thought about or had any interest in it. Isn't it crazy how like interested you are now? Like, look at that. I had absolutely zero. I didn't have any one of my family that rode. I come from a military family background. No one in my family rode. None of my relatives, nothing. No friends, nothing. Just as I got a little older, it started becoming kind of interesting to me. Seeing just bikes out and just passing bikes. And I talked to-- we know Carolyn. I talked about her a few times. And she actually was interested and said that she wanted to ride. And she had rode. I didn't ride. Like, I didn't ride as a kid. I didn't ride dirt bikes. I didn't do any of that stuff. She did, coming from where she lived out here in Chatsworth. She rode dirt bikes and stuff and had a mo-ped and all. Stuff like that. I didn't just, as I started getting older and had the kids, like the kids weren't in an issue. I wasn't one of those people. I was like, I got kids, I'm not going to ride. I just like, I'd never had the interest. And then all of a sudden, I just started to spark and started to get the interest in it and talk to her a few times about it or whatever. Then I was working, a few of the people that I worked with, like Austin and stuff had bikes. And so that really started peaking my interest. Like fun. Looked cool. Like a good time. And then finally, I was just like, I think I want to do it. And she's like, well, if you want to do it, you know? So I actually went-- and I had never ridden. So I was like, well, I think the thing that helped me back-- like I wanted to do it probably from my early 30s. But what helped me back was I had never ridden it at all. So it was kind of scary. That's scary. I don't know how to ride. Right? Like, you know, it's not a bicycle. You think it would come easy, too? Right. It's literally riding the bicycle you think. But it's like, I don't want to-- like I know a lot of people that just road bikes and never took a course or never even had a license, right? And I was like, no, I don't want to do it that way. Like if I'm going to do it, I want to-- like at least take the course and learn how to do it and feel a little more-- I didn't feel confident enough to do it. Like just go buy a bike and ride. You know? So sometimes in 2013, I said, you know what? I'm just going to do it. And I got on the Barb's website and registered for one of their classes. It was in the summer, like July. It was hot as balls. And you had to wear all that gear to go take the course. And they had the little bules. And I'm like fat guy on a little-- like a circus bear on a bug. It's tiny little bule trying to learn how to ride this thing. But it came very-- it did come very naturally. You know, like I don't know. Like wasn't like complicated to me. Like some people might struggle with it or whatever. But it was just very natural. And I really liked it. And you know, passed a class. And like I said, it was the Harley one. So you do everything right there at Harley. Go get the license. And then I got home. And I'm like, I gotta get a buck now. So I started looking online. And I had a very-- she gave me a very tight budget. I had a very-- What was the budget? I didn't even get the budget. Well, there wasn't a number. It was like, I like this one, nope too much. I like this one, nope too much. So it was like--[LAUGHTER] OK. So I ended up seeing this Heritage Classic in 1998, Softale Heritage Classic at Ocean County. And the funny thing was when I was back then 2013, I wanted a classic looking Harley, right? Like at that time, the roadblood and streetblood, I'm like, that's hideous. I don't want that. And it wasn't because, oh, it's a geyser glide. It's just like-- it's ugly. Like any of the stuff with fairings and stuff, I'm like, that's-- Didn't scream American too. Didn't scream Harley, right? I'm like-- I completely agree with that, though. I'm like, I want Old School looking. And the Heritage that I found at Ocean, Harley, was that Old School looking, you know? And now looking back, I'm like, what the heck was I thinking? It had the studs on the bags. You know, the leather bags studs around the edge of the seat. And the tassel hanging down the handlebar. It didn't have tassels on the handlebar, but whoever owned it before was a huge lived to ride ride to live guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So every one of those accent pieces on the-- everywhere lived to ride, ride to live, I'm like, the handle-- everything had that. It was crombed out, and then the lived to ride-- How many miles were on the bike for the lived to ride guy?[LAUGHTER] I want to say like 20. I want to say it was somewhere in a 20 ballpark. All right. Bike had an identity crisis, though. 10 years old. Because-- And had 20,000 miles? That's a lived to ride. Yeah, exactly. But listen, it had an identity crisis, though. Because when you looked at the bike, the bike had a few of the lived to ride things on it. I remember that. And then it had the studs along the bags. And then it had 18 in japes. Well, they didn't have that one. But when I-- yeah. That was my addition. That was your addition. So that was the beginning of my transformation. So with studs lived to ride 18-inch apes. And I was like-- So-- Here was this guy. So I got it, right? And I'm like, this is just like-- it had stock handlebars on it, right? And you know how-- What were the heritage were they? It seemed-- It was like-- Yeah, wheelbarrow. Yeah. Buck orn's. Yeah. So I did the handlebars. I got the 18-inch burly apes, and I got those put on there. And then I was starting to feel like, all right, now this bike is getting a little cooler, right? I got rid of the stock seat, and I bought a solo Mustang seat, right? So now at this point, if you took off the studded saddlebags, it looked pretty cool. Look kind of-- like it was trying to be a cholo bike a little bit, minus the fish tails and stuff. So it had a really cool color. It was like a red, it was a two-tone, which-- Right. I want to see these awesome. I'm going to say this knocks them a huge anti-tuton guy. It's red and gray, that right? It was red and gray, and the gray was such-- and like, Carly does this with some of their stuff, man. That gray was cool because it was gray, but in certain angles and certain light, it had like a purple tint to it. Was it like a pearlish or no? No. No. But it was the flake. But it was like-- It was just cool, man. And it was a cool bike. But when I realized that bike wasn't for me anymore, it was probably maybe a season or two after we hooked up and went down to Wildwood for a board of the shore. And we're getting passed on those baggers and-- We come home. We're coming by when-- It was five speed, right? It's five speed. So you get on the parkway, and you're trying to do 80. And that thing just vibrated the crap out of you. And like, you were fighting to do 80 on that bike. And you got your wife on the back? No. No. No. A few times. But no, that was what led to her getting her own bike. It was that wasn't enjoyable for her. But we're coming back. One of the season or two later cruising up the parkway. And I'm like fighting for my life with my 18s, a big freaking wind sail, bikes vibrating like crazy. What kind of shield was on it? No, no shield. So there was no shield. No one of us rode with you. No shield. No, it was no shield. It was cool. You were really wearing it. Yeah. And then here-- And I'm like-- again, I'm struggling fighting, just trying to get up the parkway. And here comes this dude on a road glide. And he's kicked his woman's on the back. He's laid back. He's got a footway up high. He's got one thing on. Like, he's got one on. And he must have cruise on since his left is on. And he comes cruising by me. I look over. He goes over. He's like, basically, he's just half asleep. He's like head nod. And I'm like-- He's like first love. I'm like, I want that. I'm getting bad. So that-- yeah, right after that, I started like-- I was just looking all the time online, looking, looking, looking at each other. Wife won. She was like, yeah, yeah, whatever. Keep showing. Keep showing. She's like-- I still owed-- I still owed-- I still was making payments on that thing. And then I found the beard glide, the red road glide, over at Appalachian Harley online. And I showed her. And she's like, that's really nice. And that was kind of like it. She's like, that's really nice. And then a few weeks later, I'm still looking, and it popped up again. And I showed her. And she's like, that's-- I like that. That's really nice. So I'm like, she's like, we should go look at it. And I was like, oh, seriously? Get in the car. Get in the car, one. Get in the car. So we ended up doing the next weekend or whatever. I don't know. I might not have been next weekend. But sometime really quick, we went to our route there. It's like two, two and a half hours away. We looked at it. And it was on consignment. So basically, the dealer didn't know. And it was someone of their customers was selling it through them. And it was freaking sweet. And I had them started up. When you started up, I was sold. It sounded amazing. So I'm like, and it was kind of high for what? I was trying to pay. What was it at? Like 20, maybe 24, something like that. Yeah, it's kind of high for-- Was it that much in '16? Yeah. Well, it was 2017. And it was a 2016. So it was only a year old. OK. It only had about sixth grand on it, 6,000 miles on it. The guy, so the guy he told me, the guy who owned it was a long time customer there. It said, bought seven, eight bikes to them. And he had bought that brand new in 2016, had them do stuff to it. So all the work was done there at the dealership. He went on a road trip with his buddies out to California with it, came back, found out his wife wanted a divorce. So he had to thin out his herd, because he had eight bikes or something like that. And I was like half of them. And that was one of them. So I'm like, well, listen, we've-- Caroline and I talked about it. We went over to their side of the store. And I'm like trying to hash it out. Well, we could afford blah, blah, blah. Went back and told them, what do you take this? I think it was maybe 21. I think I said, well, you take 21. He's like, let us call him. We'll see. They called the guy and he was like, yeah, so I was like, done deal. Let's go. Who? Yeah. So that was a Sunday. Couldn't do anything because of financing. Everything's closed. So I had to come back the next week and hash out the financing and all that stuff. Did you trail the heritage out there? Is that what you-- I did. Yeah, OK. What did they give you for the heritage? Not a lot. What did you-- I won it. Yeah. I think whatever they-- I don't remember, but whatever they gave me, covered what I owed and I think it gave me two grand down. Something like that. One in a lot. Yeah. Wasn't a lot at all. I didn't owe a lot, but it wasn't a lot, total. They probably-- they might have gave me-- I don't even-- it might have been five grand. I feel like those evos weren't pulling a lot of money at that time either. And which is crazy that you say that when they started at that, you love the sound of that bike because I love the sound of your heritage. I feel like-- What was on the heritage? That was a carburetid email. I did like it, but it was-- Yeah. It wasn't that the sound was better than the heritage. It was the bike that I wanted and it sounded good. I'm not saying it sounded better than the heritage because the heritage had a really awesome sound. It was loud. I remember the first time-- I had some iPhones on it. Sure. A few of the iPhones on it. What are the iPhones? There was an old exhaust company. Python was a-- Python was its own brand. It was its own brand. I don't think they're around anymore. It was loud. It was freaking back in the day. We got to resurrect them. I'm telling you, it was-- It was-- I was cool. It was the man who's like, I don't like riding behind you. It's too loud. He said, well, he was on us as Zuki or whatever. Kawasaki. Kawasaki. Well, I remember the first time we got up on the parkway. And I was used to riding with guys with baggers. Like, I was my brother-in-law to Softail, but I was used to guys who were on road glides and road kings and all this stuff. And you got up onto the parkway. And I'm in fifth gear. And I'm like-- You had six though, right? I had six, but I only needed to be in fifth. I had-- I was staving and all I got. I'm like, what's up with this dude? I was like--[LAUGHTER] Bro, maybe-- You got to remember, too, though. So I got my license in July. I bought that bike in September. I rode it a little bit, being a brand new rider. And it sat all winter. And then winter came. Yeah. And then summer rolled around. I started riding it. And then we hooked up to go-- That next set. So I basically had a season of riding experience in general on a five speed. And then at the time I was-- I was in like, yeah, probably six or seven years. Yeah. So we meet up to go ride. And so I was fricking as newbie as it could be on a five speed on the parkway. Yeah. If it was me-- I didn't know. If I was you, I'd have been like, if this dude, I'm not riding with this guy-- I didn't know. I was like, all right, we'll bring rides differently. I'm going to sit back here fifth gear. That's why people get their license. It'll start riding. And they're like, listen, I can't really ride like you. I'll get in the back and do what you want to do. Because sometimes-- especially if you're like the person that you're riding with, you don't care. Some people are stingy. Like, I hate riding with that guy. I came here. If you're riding with a buddy-- If you like the person, you're going to help them get experienced. If they're a beginner, go to the front, do whatever you want to do. I'll enjoy it. Well, we know from personal experience that even if you're like a person who doesn't ride well, you're not always open to suggestions.[LAUGHTER] Not everybody's open to critique. That is true. I agree with that. Do you like getting critiqued? He loves it, actually. I get critiqued all the time. Slow the fuck down, mother ever. Listen, if you got critique or criticism, constructive-- constructive-- that game-- constructive criticism. That's fine. But if you come at me with some bullshit that doesn't even make sense-- I wasn't actually talking about you, actually. No, I'm just going off this question. I've had somebody that-- some of me know we rode up the highway, and we got off, and this guy wanted to give me all these-- I was leading. Here's what-- here's what-- Here's when I don't want criticism or any kind of opinion at all out of view. Buckle up, buttercup. Don't even give me a peep. If we got a big group of people, and we decide we're going to go here, and then it's like, all right, who's leading? And it's cricket. Cricket. Cricket. Nobody wants to lead, right? Nobody wants to lead. So finally, I'm like, all right, F at all lead. I don't want to hear shit out of anybody. None of you wanted to lead. None of you wanted to step up to the plate. Don't want me get to where we're going. Come up and give me suggestions on how to lead. I have to deal with that. I hate leading. I know. I hate leading. And I'm the lead. I'll go on group rides. We're going to sit. I don't know where I don't know anybody. Yeah. And I managed to always be the leader. It always happens that way. And then we'll come to a stop. Well, you're going a little bit too fast. I'm like, I'll sit in the back. I don't even know you people. OK. Cool. I just came for the ride. I think I'll roll to the back, bro. I think I've led, like, of our group rides. I think I led one ride to LBI one time. Do you like leading? I don't care about leading. I don't care about leading. But what happened is when we got to where we were going, three people had suggestions for me. And the two people had suggestions for me. And neither one of those two people or people who would ever let a ride ever, ever, right? They've never led a ride ever. And one of those people, when I rode with just the two of us, still, like, was like, yeah, you got it. So when we pull over with him, the same group of people know he's got suggestions. Burke could pull in a parking lot to a figureate, two mother fuckers, and a thumbs up to four who finds a parking spot. And he was like, OK, that's cool. Like, let me do that. They were like, what the fuck are you doing? That is-- Speaking of the leading and people hating it, some people, again, very few people that I've met like the lead. I hate it. I always end up doing it. But speaking of Daytona coming up, there's that's called the performance hangover show. And it was originally when it first started, it only started like two years ago. Three years ago, it went from, obviously, Daytona bike weeks in-- where's it at in-- Ortona. Ortona. Or it's at-- Orly Beach. Orly Beach. So the ride goes to-- or where the show is, Palm, Palm Bay. And it's like an hour and five minutes. And there would be like, again, these are guys that are building these spare no expense. Now you get the guys, literally 80, 90, 100 grand in their bikes. All of us come together. And it's like, here's a destination, type in your GPS, and you fucking roll. So you got all these guys. And you see videos pop, like they're been popping up more recently now just because it's coming up. But guys are doing like 130, getting past by another Harley. And they're just all-- and there's no leader. It's just get to the destination. But you're all riding together. No, you're not. You're not, but you are. You're all riding to the same destination. You're on the same road together. But they all still kind of hang out with each other. I get it. But while you're riding, you're not together. I don't do it personally. I think it's awesome. Was that the thing I saw where it said, I accept your challenge or whatever, that you put on it? Yeah, challenge accepted. Because this year, it changed because it's been getting so big over the last couple of years that the other dealership wasn't-- it was like really tight last year. And we're talking about a Harley dealership. That's how big this thing is going. So they moved it to Orlando dealership. Because Orlando's got a little bit more room. Listen, if we're going to keep this podcast rolling, we're going to have to address one issue. And that's that your Marmolto's looking at me, and you're going to need to adjust that thing. He said it's mammaled. I can't even pull the fucking cow. I think there's got to be a class action lawsuit against EPS for those uniforms, bro. Gotta be-- It's basically sexual harassment what they put you in the dust. And I'm like, terribly crap. Legs are over. I'm trying to focus on what you're saying, but you're just speaking at me. But do you ever-- I set those chairs up for a reason. But do you ever get the-- I can't ever go back to the leading scenario here? You met my buddy Steve, fast talker, Steve. Oh my god. I thought I met two fast talkers. Yeah, I had the strokeers. When he-- he's one of the leaders that will go, who rev is engine, he'll be flying, and almost--[BREATHING] He'll back off and break, and he'll go,[BREATHING] and he'll back off and break. And you're just like, stop. So what's he like? And he'll go, and he'll be there. And he'll be there. But then get scared. I don't want to say it's scared. It's just like, how he rides. So I always tell him, like, Steve, when I ride with him, I'm like, you will never lead a ride that I'm a part of, like, your ass is-- I ride with his neck? No, I haven't ridden with him. I don't know. You rode with him? I'm sorry for me. You rode with him one time. Well, I'm trying to figure out you had two friends name, Steve. One of them was the dude at Ocean City last year at breakfast. The talker. That's the talker. I don't think I've ridden with him. I rode with the guy that we had-- How'd you not ride with him? Maybe it was there. Because you guys took off. You guys didn't want to hang out with us. You didn't want to hang out with us. Yeah, you and Blue-Rod. So who was the dude? Who-- Who's Blue-Rod? What's his name? Tommy. Tommy? Yeah, yeah. Oh, my god. All right, he was with him. He was there. Blue-Rod, glide guy. Just saying New York. Another guy that does not know how to do group rides. Yes, I would. I would. So with the guy, the day that I got my accident, we had breakfast, was that guy's name, Steve too? The guy that sounded-- I thought was Irish. Remember the guy? He was like, "Hammenden diner." Yeah, that was the cop. So what's his name? But his name's Dan. Dan. Oh. Okay. I thought his name was Steve too. That was such a fun day. How's the outside of that fact? That was a fun day. This freaking guy. Dude, I had a great day-- Take your camera, bro. I had a party door over it. I thought we-- I was going outside the-- I had one of the most fun days I had. I had one of the most fun days I had. I had one of the most fun days I had. I had one of the most fun days I had. I had one of the most fun days I had. I had one of the most fun days I had. It was a great day until the end. Yeah, until the end. It was like, "I had it over." But that guy. So how do you know that guy? A group ride. I just posted to meet up at fielders if anybody wanted to go and come to me. And he just showed up with another older guy on a-- he had a 90-- or now, I think it was early 2000, Road King. And he had-- Oh, wait. It was a 110. What was the 110? Cam. I don't know. Whatever. A 110, Road King. It was built. Again, he was older. He was in his mid-60s, almost 70. And then Dan was the cop. And he was younger. And he's just-- He's like, "Who's running this group ride?" And I've never met him before in my life. He's either one of them. And I was like, "Oh, I'm leading it." And I was like, "I get all like kind of like-- You don't know what you're about to get into." I was like, "Hey, we kind of like ride pretty fast." Oh, is this a Ripper's only crew? Because nobody shows up. So it was just me, Bobby. I forget. It was me, Bobby, and maybe two other-- I think Cody showed up. And there was one other person that I ride with that rides. I have to know. It's Cody a Ripper. Yeah, Cody rides pretty well. Yeah. I'm going to tell him. He rides dirt bikes a lot too, but he knows he-- He was-- He was blocking on one of the group rides you did. I think he was the one that-- The one that-- The Bulldogs. I thought he rode pretty decent. That group ride-- That was one of my favorite group rides we've been on. That group ride was a trip. The one that was his ride. Yeah. So it's-- That was a good ride. We were like-- What was that? The one you planned it. It went to Bulldogs. Okay, and your speech before-- Roger, I was-- Roger met us at that time. I was like, "Oh, I'm going to be a little bit more-- I'm going to be a little bit more-- Roger met us at that one." Yes. Okay. Yeah, your speech before the ride was like, "We're going to go here, here, here." When we get on the parkway, whatever happens happens. That was like your pre-ride talk, right? And we got on the parkway and this, I don't know, 20-year-old, 21-year-old girl. Listen, I've-- I've heard that George, I'm not-- Yeah, I'm not-- I'm not ripping. I'm whatever will ride normal. Yeah. I'm not doing this. We all stayed together. So for the most part-- No, we didn't. No, we didn't. What? So we hit the parkway-- The parkway. And you guys were like, "But then everybody stopped at the parkway." Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what I mean. We stayed together, but we weren't together on the parkway. You know what I mean? We hit the parkway in all hell-broke loose. And I'm looking at George, and I'm like, "I'm not-- I'm not trying to get crazy like these guys. You guys are all doing a buck 20, whatever you're doing. I don't know." And I'm like, "I'm doing 90, and I'm like, I'm good, right? I'm good, and I'm looking at him. He's good." And then this chick on her dad's bike or whatever-- Yeah.--on her cheese fat boy. And then the little blonde comes a 98 fat boy. Comes whirpin' by us, and I was looked at George, and I was like,"Oh hell no." Oh, no.[LAUGHTER] So I'm like, "Twist a thawed on freaking flew by her." And it's close as I could do it. Like, "No, that's not working." And we hit one of our followers, Ken. Oh, that poor guy was like, "I'm like a 96 freaking." He was like, "I'm--." Hold your glide, or some cheese. Yeah, on a 96, like a lecture of it. And he was like, "We're like, we'll see you buddy." That's the fast I've ever gone on my bike. Yeah, it was-- So going back to that, you talk about opening it up, and your buddy, Ken, who's like,"Prize, never fucking experienced that." So I meet these two guys, and again, I'm judging a book by its cover. This guy looks like a grandfather, and then you get this little short guy. And I walk outside, and I see he has just a road king. And the other one was driving like a fucking early 90s Kawasaki. And I'm like, I had to explain it. And like, this is kind of how the ride's going to go. You know, I started off like 60, 70 miles an hour, and there are those two, the old guy and his buddy, they passed Bobby, and they passed Steph. And right up my-- Right up the tail. I think so, or I don't know. I forget. I forget if she-- maybe she wasn't. I don't think she was, okay. But it was Cody. So Cody dropped back, and Bobby dropped-- Steph's Cody, same thing. And then I'm like, all right, so I start-- I take it up to 90. They're right on my tail. And then me and Bobby were talking through the comms. And I was like, I guess we're doing this. And then I just open it up, and they are right up my ass, and we were doing like a buck 20 buck 30. We get to the first stop, and they're like, we've been waiting to meet guys like you. Everybody around the-- we ride with those five miles under the speed limit. And Bobby's looking to me like, what the f just happened? Like, because our first stop was sidelines. And I don't want to say it's Malik. Maze landing. Have you been there? Side lines. I have to take-- It used to be called something else, and it changed over to sidelines. It used to be called like, I'm fielder or not fielder. I don't know. It doesn't matter. But they were-- they were-- the joy in their faces. And I was all fired up. I'm like, aff, yeah. I'm like, all right, boys, I say we finished the beer inside. We go off the next spot. And again, right from the get-go, we were all opened up. And they were right behind. And then we get to this one gas station, like three stops in. And the road king just like spewing oil. I mean, and the guy's just looking to me. He's like, yeah, this thing hasn't been run like this in a long time. He's like, it'll be all right though. Right? And me and him pull out. And he pulls up next to me. And there was a deep, like a long stretch. I forget what the road is called. And he looks at me and he goes, and he starts hauling. I just see his handlebars. Like, we were doing a buck. It was like a buck 32, buck 33. And his handlebars just start. Because he's all-- he has stock. Like he's got nothing. The motor's built. No suspension. It's stock suspension. There's a speed. And I just see his handlebars like this. For like three seconds. And he bags love it. I just rip by him. And we come to a stop sign. And I'm like, dude, I thought you were going to die. He's like, me too. He's like, that was awesome. That was Dan. This was-- now this was-- I forget this guy's name. He texts me all the time. I just don't have his number same because I forget his-- Dan still texts me. But he also, because he always wants to ride, because he gets into a nightmare. I'm like, I've never met somebody like him. I especially had his age. That's great. His litter-- he was standing-- This guy, Dan. We get the breakfast over there at the diner. And he shows up with staff, right? And then, and Dan. And then Bob and his wife were there. And we're having breakfast. And this guy's talking, whatever. He's going to-- he's talking about his bikes. Buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh. And then I'm like, I said something like-- So you're from Ireland or Scottish? And he looks at me like I got freaking 12 heads. And I'm like, what? Like, and he's like, I'm from Michigan. I'm like, get that F-hat. And this dude, he's got an F-- Did he not have a funky accent? I'm like, this dude is Irish. He's 100% Irish. No, he's from Michigan. He does look Irish too. He really does. It freaking blew my mind. You missed that one. I'm like, you're kidding. You're both-- you're bullshit in me. You're from Ireland. He's like, no, I'm-- He talks, man. He does talk. He's fine to talk, his bro. I do. I don't want to-- because I don't talk at all. What? Me? I don't talk at all. I don't think he's like a year of hanging out with you to talk yet. Is he serious right now? I don't know. No, it takes him about a year. Why do you think we had you on the podcast because you don't talk? I don't think I talk. Where hour and 23 minutes into this? You've been talking the whole time. I don't know. What are those? It takes-- it takes Sam about a year and some twisted tees to one note to you and then he starts-- Yeah, a lot of things. I'll definitely talk. I've been twisted tees. Yeah, I've heard of twisted tees. The unofficial-- How often-- How often do you drink bourbon? Um, what was the last bourbon I had? It's been a minute, right? That's not often. I had an old fashioned with Steph at Braddock's Tavern three weeks ago. How do you like Braddock's? I like it. Chicken and waffle, man. Do you get-- I get that. Hold on. I've been there in a minute. Do you sit down dining or do you go to the bar downstairs? I go to the bar. Yeah. Happy hour type of thing. We went for a bucket shot. We've been saying we're going to do that. I haven't been there in years. They're brunches. They're brunches. They're brunches. That's what we went for. We had brunches. Yeah, they have the chicken waffles we had there with just-- I don't know why we don't go back there, but-- I get the pork raw egg and cheese and what. I don't know why. I don't know why. I don't know either. Yeah. But yeah, they did the pork and the pork through the summer on-- Look at what? I think it was either-- It was either Tuesday or Wednesday or Wednesday. I just kind of dropped-- The dollar clam. Is that what that means? For the oysters. For the oysters. What does that mean to dollar? Yeah. Dollar oyster. Yeah, I got 75 of them. Shit. Jesus Christmas, bro. I could have had more by anyone. That's a problem. That's that money. What's that? What's that? I'm going to oysters, baby. It's the half of the easy act. What was I saying? Oh, no. Because oysters are usually anywhere you go. They're like 250, 350 per oyster. Per oyster. So when you get a buck shock, it's like a little next. Yeah, I love little necks. Love to do those on the grill this year. I love little necks. I do too. Oh, a big seafood guy. Do you like seafood? Me too. Yeah. We all are, I think. Have you had, um, do you like oysters? Yeah. Do you like both, like, cooked or raw or? I've never ever. Sherry. It's a nice shit, which is a little bit of sherry in there. I've only had him a couple times raw. It's good though. Do you have like a preference or you just like any oyster as long as it's not on your fish? No, I haven't had oysters as often as I've had clams or little necks stuff like that. But I don't dislike, I like them. The Kate May salts are just to die for all the oysters. Kate May salts are the oysters. I mean, anything. I like the East Coast stuff much more. Chesapeake sir. Really, really good. Long Owens. I've had some from Long Owens. I like the East Coast a lot more. Long Owens, not on the East Coast. Long Island. Long Island. Long Island. Long Island. Long Island on the East Coast. It is on the East Coast. Okay. Yeah. But it's, yeah. Some of the West Coast stuff, like, I don't know. You think I've had the West Coast stuff? I couldn't even tell you. I like them. I like them. I like them. I like them with, like, some shallot and some sherry. I had a crappy African, little African lobster deal. That sucks. Well, what was it? The African lobster, too. Those little African lobster. They're not from, you know, north like Maine and so like that. They said it would be African- That's the good thing about leconias, the lobster rolls. Oh, man. Oh, so listen. Uh-oh. This is way off topic. And the people listen are probably, what are these idiots even talking about tonight? But, um, point lobster. Tuesdays, at least in January, I'm not sure if it's past January, but in January. I told Karen what it's last night because I saw it.$30 for two lobster tails. What? Wow. That's a scale. I don't know, but I know their lobster tails are good. Like point lobster, have you been to point lobster? Yeah, but they might change it for that deal. They might, they might, they might certainly, I mean, they call it the top of the top and all of a sudden they hit you with a four or six tails. They could. Like the pick does. I don't know. It doesn't say. It didn't say, but there's, I like point lobster a lot. They got point. Where's that? Point pleasant. Point pleasant. Yeah, you know, it's, it's a crappy ride up there. It's, it's traffic. You hit 70 down to the freaking parkway, blah, blah, blah, whatever. It's not the best ride. It's not the best ride for winter. I mean, it's nice. It's time of year, though. It's nice to head up. It shouldn't be busy. And, you know, if you go at the right time, on the weekend or something, obviously it's not, you know, Tuesday. You're gonna hit rush hour traffic if you go after work, but, um, no, it's really, they got really good seafood. They got really good lobster. It's a point lobster, um, for around here, you know, but yeah, that New England, Laconia, lobster tails are just freaking ridiculous. They priced now. It is. Yeah, they're 30 bucks for a lobster. Yeah, but um, it was 30 bucks. It was, it was, it was, it was right by the, um, we went to spinikers man in Maine. Spinikers. I haven't been there. So, so this is our buddy Dave. Did he meet Dave? No. I don't think so because he wasn't around around one by the time we got up there. I don't know. So, my buddy Dave is from New York state area. So that whole Laconia area just across, um, on the main side there, his parents now live. So that whole area is like the backyard for him. Like he knows a whole place. And, uh, the, both times I've been up to Laconia, he's been my tour guide. Takes us on all the back roads, all the best places and the spinikers. That's what it's called right. Spinikers. That's his spot. of where it's way out of the way and you actually got to ride through a crappy area kinda congested, little area for up there to get to it. Oh, my gosh. Totally worth it. Put it in the GPS. It's so good. And this is a little, it's in, wait, Maine, it's in Maine. It's in Maine, right? Yeah, Maine's, I mean, it's close. It's not crazy. It's not far. Have you ridden over to Maine? Yeah. Yeah. We do, we do the Bentley's an Iron Horse. Yeah, Bentley's is cool. Yeah. We got the Bentley's this past year on an off day. I feel like after some storms and we got there and it was like, it was not, it was like, it was a weekday. It was a weekday. It was, I think it wasn't on that weekend. So it was a little less busy and we got there at a weird time. So it was like really not busy, which I was disappointed because the first time I was there in like 2017, he took us there and it was hopping. It was like the Buffalo chip. Like it was packed. It's insane because like, I follow their social media account and like basically all throughout the year, that place is popping and I don't understand why they can't kind of bring that down to here. I think you know, like the big summaries just have that and others don't, man. I don't know why. I don't know why. Are you like a good area to have that? Like, could you imagine like a kingfish type, like smoke like a smoke like smoke and pig and ribs in a freaking bar with a live band plan. Fire pits, like you're telling with Tanny's hanging down from the ceiling in the broad that environment. How could that not see that? One of the things you have here and I don't, I don't know about Lakonia and I'm sure means stuff, but the regulations on businesses like that is one of the things that hamper's the amount of people that want to have restaurants and businesses around here. Go Murphy. You know, that's one of the things and then you couple that with crappy winners where if you have something like Bentley's they get shitty money. I know they do. So they're hopp and during the world. There already snow in right now. Are they hopp and during the winter? Yeah, they make pretty good business with cars. Yeah, with cars. Yeah, no bikes. But yeah, because it doesn't seem very big. That's a very outdoor centric kind of place. There's nothing up there. I mean, there's nothing. There's literally nothing. That's the thing. You got to have like a good indoors for down here because you just get it's cold and crappy, man. But I mean, again, if you're looking for like-minded people up there, I feel like what was the town? We went down to Kinney Bunkport, right? Yeah, that was not what says we went to Kinney Bunkport. We are not their people. No, I don't mean I knew that before we got there. Yeah, we knew that, but it's being there kind of proved it not about not about your town. You're all in there with bikes. Everybody's like looking at you. Are they like Yuppie or Rich Yuppies? Are you going to shift me? Rich Yuppie Democrats. Very, you know, do you got recognized in Kinney Bunkport though? That was pretty funny. Yeah, dude was like right over the bridge. He was like, that is a bird. There you go. We, we, they recognized him beard though. They don't recognize this shirt. It's so beard. Yeah, we did. I remember that. But no, that like- But we went to that point. That's a place that's where and then always and then Dave took a steer the first time I went to like apparently he likes that spot, but yeah, that town is nice. Does he go to Lakoney every year? Well, no. He will now. I mean, I'm gonna say because I'm here, but I like the twer- I met some random guy at a dealer's year. You're a randoms bro. I went to get like an alignment because I was on my way to Lakoney and I had a death wobble. So I put my bike into service to do that and then some old timer starts talking to me and he's like, I'm from Boston. He's like, I come here. I've been coming over here for like 40 years and I was with a couple buddies and he's like, I'll take you out somewhere and I'll show you all the roads. He took me out. I had one of the best times of my life in frickin' company. Did he show the Hershey highway? And you know, it's funny. We still stay in contact. It's one of those things. We see. We still stay in contact now and he'll text me every year when he's going. What days? And he's like, I'll show you some more roads. So where does Lakoney rank on your- I haven't been surges. So Lakoney's number one for me. Okay, so you like it. Nick went to- How is it rank compared to this is tough one? How's it rank compared to Gettysburg? Gettysburg is definitely bought a- I don't think I'll ever go to Gettysburg again. It's tough. It's gonna die. I feel bad that it's- I feel like that rally is gonna die but I feel like- It's got supporters, man. It does. It's got the dock Harley's of the world. Oh, thanks, Doc Harley. I don't understand. Doc Harley loves it. He says- He said that Lakoney is dying and sucks. Lakoney's got a bigger agent. And he likes Gettysburg and I was like, are you talking about- If I- If I- If I- I'd like another shot at Johnstown. I'd like another shot at- I'd like another shot at- Thunder in a Valley. Have you been there? Johnstown? I am surprised that that is a Tarnem- Sure, Mr. King Tarnem- Bern. Well, let me know when it's- Tarnem- Tarnem- Bern. What time of the year is it? June. June. It is around the same time. I don't know if it's in same weekend but it is the same time frame as Lakonia. Yeah. Yeah. It's June. It's close. I think it's early June. When is- Is Lakonia usually- Usually it's like- We can't afford- I want to do a full- I just like- I can't budget for Lakonia. They have roller derbys. I spend way too much money. No. On the food, like not- Like the hotel, like where we say because it's- We always have like a few people. So that's not really the cost. But like, I go there. I buy the T-shirts from like the the local businesses that I know that I- Whatever support but the food is just what gets me. The food and drinks because I like the drink. I like the- Food and the loss of rules. So like any typical day from breakfast, lunch, and then dinner, it's- It's three, four hundred bucks a day. Just in food. Yeah, it can be expensive. That's not fuel. I don't have that. I feel like at the- What was that? Was it the Iron Horse Man? We bought some expensive food at that place. That's what- That's what Daytona. Daytona I could spend two weeks in. I don't know what it was called but it was- It was like rally food and it was super expensive. I never get rally food. But that's all they had. The place we were at. It was there. I feel- It was that one that's on the corner. It's- It changed names recently. It's on the corner there. It's one of the big black bars. Is it the burger? It's not the burger in the rib place. Is it the turkey leg? No. No. It's close to the weirdest beach. I don't know. It's like on the way to where's beach and it's like right on that corner that intersection is a big biker bar right there. Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I think I've got a $17 sausage sandwich. It was like- Yeah, and they're terrible. 17 bucks. And they're terrible. But definitely if you go to Laconia, hit us up. We'll hook you up with Dave on Instagram. He's a rider. Yeah, I would love that. Because there's- I mean, he's a rider. Laconia is for endless and there's a- I don't even know how many roads that I've missed because again, when I go, I've been going since- When is- 18? When's Laconia this year? I think it's still the second week of June. Okay, so the undernavali is June 20th and 23rd. So it's just a long weekend. So it's after. And where's it at? John's down PA. John's down PA. So it's just- So is that like West like Pittsburgh was? Cruise like your head to Pittsburgh and it's like- It's on the way. an hour before Pittsburgh maybe. Hour and a half. That's not terrible. Was it four hours? Yeah, it's not bad at all. Pass on bad at all. It's actually- and again, if you do go, it's really close to the site of the- Flight 93. Flight 93. Crash where there's now like a national monument and more more of their kind of thing. National Park, whatever they call it. But just cool to see. But yeah, it's not hard to get to. It's not far to get to. They have the same issue that Laconia has. They seem like their rain every year. June is just like that on East Coast, you know. But it was a cool rally. It's one of the first rally I ever went to. So I got my bike at that heritage and our friends, Joel and Denise, he's from John's town. And they lived here next to us and they were going out and invited us to go. So we went and that's what I learned about the hills of Western PA. And my bike didn't like them. And my bike was spitting oil out of the freaking air cleaner and trying to keep up going up hills. Because Western PA is just freaking a hilly mass man on how those people live in that crap. I love PA. I love Pittsburgh. I'm a Pittsburgh sports guy. And the city of Pittsburgh's great, but holy crap, I couldn't live out there. Like everything is a hill on a curve. Like you're non every stop sign is on a hill on a curve. Like in Syracuse, New York, I mean, you better if you got a friggin, I'll tell you what the days of everything being like automatics or standard, that must have been a be honest. So Morgantown West Virginia is an account I go to for work, right? So we fly into Pittsburgh and drive to Morgantown and the dude I'm driving with and it's night, it's kind of drizzling and he's like white knuckle. I'm like, yeah, are you okay? And my buddy Brian, and he listens to this podcast. That's funny. He's probably listening to this right now. He's like brawn from Florida. It's flat and straight. That is super huge culture shock. Moving out here was culture shock for me because it's dark out here. For the first six months I lived here, I think I was doing 20 miles an hour down for a good neck. Like where the deer can't see nothing here, but I didn't live out here. Yeah, this is different than this. This is this is in the mid-town. This is 20 minutes away from Browns Mills, 30 minutes away from Browns Mills. This is different out here. Yeah. Yeah. It's one I'd like to go back to because the first time we went to was this first time I've been to a rally. So you don't know what you're doing. Second time we went at rain the whole time. There's a rain out. We were in the truck. We trail it to that one and we were in the truck most of the time. Eight four hundred dollars a night for that hotel. I didn't know what it was. I'm raining. It's beautiful. I love that. Four hundred bucks a night. That was the well. Did you do it last minute? No, the one thing I like about Jon's town. I feel like they raped you for the hotel rooms and it's like Jon's town. You guys all had points so you have no idea what one was. Oh yeah. So yeah, we stated this it was great. The hotel prices at Jon's town were stay guy. You just said it because of that because of that rally and there isn't a lot around there. There's nothing around there. There's a handful of hotels. So like I you buy the balls. Yep. Yeah. I didn't even think anything of it back then. I the job I worked at I traveled for work and I racked up point. So I had all these points. So I didn't pay for the hotel room. Like the points. Same thing with Ocean City when I started going to OC. Like I didn't think anything of it because I'm like whatever we used to points. And now I'm like holy the holiday and that we'd like to stay out on the boardwalk. There is ridiculous. I know we're not staying there. Although I like the way Stacey and I did Ocean City this year. We had a good time at this year Ocean City. How did you do Ocean City this year? We went down on a Thursday. We had the hotel room for I think we went down early Friday I think even. You were right next to I think you went for one bar that I met you guys at. I think yeah we stayed Friday night Saturday night. Yeah we stayed Friday night Saturday night. We stayed the Fairfield in. It was walking distance to fish tails. Yeah that was my first time at the end. All the years I've been this was my favorite. I like the way Carol and I did it. We did it in the camper. Yeah in the camper we stayed the whole week. The weekend before all the way through. So we were able to do other stuff which we always talked about like every time we've gone we're like there's other things we want to do not bike related. Like maybe we ride to it but it's like not bike related. And just never had enough time going down on a Thursday Friday Saturday whatever like you just don't have enough time because you're doing all the rally stuff. So we had the whole week. Yeah. It was great. We took it at the campground. We had the camp RV like just doing our thing man it was a good time. Yeah we were having a haul and I you know screwed around too long for the ferry so we rode all the way down road all the way down. I love that ferry. But it was like the ferry. I'm never not. But it's not a bad ride. The ride wasn't bad. No it's not a bad ride at all. But I like the free ride. I was like a ferry. It's cool. It's a tease baby. Love getting on the ferry at 10 a.m. and the bar is open. Yeah get all the food snacks that are triple the price you get it. Wawa never buff food on there. It's so expensive. Yeah hamburgers like 10 bucks. You're only on a front hour bro. It's no wonder. It's not worth it. It's an hour and a half. I like it off the the ferry and going right to the brewery there. Yeah what's that called? A hammock? The program. Yeah. Yeah. It's a beer. It's a beer's there. It's a nice rally. But I like going down like just like as the quick kind of overnight. That's me baby. That was yeah it was I didn't want to stay but we got too drunk. I don't I never like being on a short time frame like that. I don't feel like I ever get it. What I want out of it. I never do. I feel like with rallies though I can I mean there's always next year. You don't like rallies. That's what I always say. I would say that we never get I never get to do so that I want. I don't know. I don't know. I don't you're kind of like Brian. People get you all nervous. It all weird. Yeah I'm just like Brian. I've been to, Brian.- Brian's been to one rally.- I've been to four.- Oh my God.- So I suppose both of you, I'll go you first.- Yes.- So I won't put you on the spot.- When was that?- When was that spot bringin' baby?- Your goals as far as widen wise.- Goals.- 2024. I know last year you wanted to say, you said that you wanted to get out.- Well, my drive more rallies.- My goal is always to ride more. Which is always hard, just because life work both crap, you know what I mean? But my goal every year is to go to every rally. I love rallies. And I like it's like every single time I like. I love people watching. I love the party atmosphere. I love riding. Like all of whatever. Like I'm okay with that. I like whatever the rally is. Like, you know what they're different, right? Sturge is the ultimate riding rally. But it's the biggest party on the planet as well. Daytona is more of a party rally, right? Not as much riding going on. You know, every rally has its own vibe. I like them all. And I like the people watching about. I love just being in a place where there's thousands of bikes in that region, just all there for the same reason. You know, but really I mean, it's hard because it's always a mix of, what are my goals for the channel?- Yeah.- And what are my goals personally for riding? My goals personally are just to ride as much as possible. Because I'm like you, I want to be on the bike as much as possible. And then the channel we have other goals. But I think for this year, like I'm already, like I just want to, I want to get to the rallies. I want to ride, put as many miles. Every year to me is like I want to put more miles on the last year, last year I didn't because of the accident, you know. But I'd love to put more miles on this year than I've put on ever before on a bike in a year. Just found out today, Carolyn got her time off approved for Sturges. So we're going to Sturges. That's gonna happen. The Daytona thing is about 80%. So often are up.- 90%?- You know.- If she's going to be able to, if things go good tomorrow, cross her fingers. She's got a meeting with the owners of her company if everything goes good and the work from home kind of thing because she can work from home. But this just worked related BS. But if that's not an issue, we should be rolling down to Daytona with our buddy Bob. And we won't ride. We'll trailer with him and he's got a place at the Cackelbury or he's got to, you know, reserve reservation at the Cackelbury. So the plan hopefully is to go to do that. So those will be our two big rallies for the year. We got another week tied up with a wedding in Puerto Rico. So that's kind of all she has. But yeah, I just want to ride as much as possible. I love to do some long weekends this year that we keep saying we want to do or we just kind of ride without a destination or goal in mind.- It never happens.- It never happens and it really needs to happen. Like you're just riding in a direction with no plans at all. And when you're done riding and find a hotel, you know, kind of thing. - Wild hogs. Yeah, just. - Just into the coast.- Yeah, not to the coast, but, you know. Just kind of winging it more so'cause everything's always planned out, right?- I think everything's always planned out.- I want to get the Michigan, maybe we're right with Justin this year.- I mean, again, like, and we said that last year, if money and time off weren't an issue, I have so many. Like, I want to, I've been dying to get out to West Conston to hang out and meet up with the CERA 3D people that have their headquarters out there. Like, you know, they're a big supporter of our other channel. And like, we'd love to go out and hang out with them and get a little even closer with them. And it's just, it's a long ride.- We have an invitation to go out and ride with, right with the Zura and Arrow and Thomas Rudd.- Yeah, the owners. And they like, they want, you know, they come out on the lake with us on their boat, you know, like cool stuff like that. Like, I'd love to do that. But, you know, it's one of those things where you gotta have the time because it's, what did I say? It was 1100 miles.- Yeah, 1170 miles.- You could do it in a day, but that's a long day.- Day trip.- That's a long day.- He said that's a day trip.- That's a long day, man.- I promise to ain't awake.- I still want to get to my biggest problem.- I guess it's close to West Conston. The mama tried showing Milwaukee.- Well, it took my mama.- That's in January. I think it's in January, like the end of January.- Mama tried that.- Now when I went to a Milwaukee in January.- I know, that's, it's right at the start. You can't, you can't, because it's snowing there and basically three quarters of it.- It's a bike show.- Yeah.- In Milwaukee.- Yeah.- In the Milwaukee.- Yeah.- It's a very big show.- Yeah, it is a big show. So what are your goals? What do you want to do?- I mean, again, like, I want to get to one rally at least. I don't know. I'm not going to make it the started of these guys. You know, if that's a big day, Tony, either.- No, I'm probably not.- Tonya.- Well, Tonya.- Yeah, probably Ocean City.(laughs) Probably Ocean City.- You look Tony in a weekend?- I could do look Tony in a weekend.- It's time.- But again, I feel like if I had a chance to do look Tony in a weekend or if I have a chance to go out to Michigan and meet up with Justin and ride with him a little bit, I'm probably going to go to Michigan. I do want to ride like the Upper Peninsula Michigan. Definitely one.- That's a summer thing.- It is a summer thing and I do, I want to get to Milwaukee. I mean, I've never, never been to Milwaukee. I want to go to the Harley Museum and I feel like I thought that was one of those things that we were going to do. Like, I was trying to like have that be one of those things doing what we put together, our Sturgis trip. But the way Sturgis trips work out, like, that just didn't happen. Like, we blew through Wisconsin. During the day at some point and after we left Chicago and we were trying to get to Minnesota and like you're cranking down miles.- It's the things that's tough when you go on those kind of trips with a group of people.- Yeah.- You know what I mean?- It was tough.- You want to be able to be spontaneous. You got to keep your group as small as possible.- Like two people.- Like five small or two people.- Yeah, I mean, you start adding too many people to it. And it's no if I love going on group rides. I loved our ride to Texas that we did with our little foursome. I loved Sturgis with our group, whatever. But if you want to really be able to be, those have to be planned 'cause it's just too hard to be spontaneous with a lot of people.- My biggest regret of the Texas trip was not recording on the way home.- Well, that's our biggest regret.- I feel like every trip we do, we never record on the way home.- Yeah.- Just kind of, you get that point where, like if it's a week long trip, it's the worst time of the year.- Getting home now, you're just kind of set on getting home.- That's all you want to do.- That's all you want to do.- Anything else.- I mean, the Texas, I mean, the two cross-country trips we took were, you know, and I say cross-country. I mean, it's three quarters of the way. I mean, it's far, but it's a whole, it's a whole, I mean, there were some pretty epic trips. I mean, it's both of them were, you know, I mean, we cranked out some miles. In some cases, we went through some weather. I mean, we wrote in Frost.- How's Texas?- We wrote in Fog.- Texas was cool. I mean, we had a unique opportunity in Texas. Like we ran into John Maxwell. What the time was like one of the biggest--- That's true.- Yeah, he was one of the biggest YouTubers in the space. And he was going to, you know, this World Record Ride that we were going to, but he had organized an entire hog chapter that got other hog chapters together and they picked up hog chapters like along the way.- Oh, that's neat.- And by the time we met up with these guys in Texas, Arcana, Texas, it was, I don't know, 150 bikes. And we rode from Texas, Arcana, Texas to Paris.- 150 bikes?- Yeah.- With like 150 bikes.- Do they have an escort?- No.- No, they had one idiot though he was in front of Bert. One idiot.- Listen, there's a group ride and a minute, there's going to be a douche bag right in front of me.- But it's just that with it.- No, no, it wasn't an escort. It was a, it was a Bay of the Signs. It was like a school bus stopped, broke up the group and like, I mean, it was a ride, but when we rolled into Paris, Texas into this dealership, I mean, we rolled in an endless amount of bikes.- It was cool to ship.- Yeah, it was really cool. And I mean, when we left that area to ride up through Texas, we were dodging the stormfronts. We rode like north before we rode west and we were riding through Oklahoma and accidentally kind of we wand upon the Talamina Skyway, which is like this, it's called like stepping star national park or shooting star national park or something like that. And it's like one of the most staircase.- Yeah, I shouldn't, yeah, I don't know. But it's the Talamina Skyway and it's like one of the most beautiful roads out of there. We found it.- It was amazing.- Huge sweepers, huge mountain. You could, like on top of mountain, you could see like valleys, you know, both direction.- We were just trying to avoid weather.- Yeah.- That's the longest we went that way. That's it. I mean, took us through these small towns and then we wound up on, you know, the Patreon Arkansas, which is like we went from the Talamina Skyway to the Patreon Arkansas. And, you know, two of, you know, two of the most epic rides in the middle of the country, you know, from that part of the country and, you know, kind of not planned at all. And then we wand upon Route 66 to get gas. So that's like the only time we've been on Route 66, turned around a gas station. It was like walking Route 66. That's what, whatever, when two lane, two lane life did the, their all Route 66 to work. That was pretty.- Yeah, you watch that.- Yeah.- Yeah.(laughing)- Just, but now, I mean,- But now the biggest goal of the year is to raise a whole lot of money for tunnel to towers.- That's, that is, that is the biggest goal.- That is the biggest goal.- That is the biggest goal of the year.- I mean, really, if we can, if we can raise $50,000, I mean, I can't wrap my hands.- So we have, here's the thing. We have this, that's our goal.- We have this event.- No, I saw that, that'd be incredible.- This event is planned for July, but that's just July. So the question is, like, what we have to figure out is like, after July, not so much before July, because we got a lot going on just to get to the event, but after July, you still have half the year.- Yeah.- And we need to come up with some other ideas of ways to raise money to keep the ball rolling, because again, we did dedicate the whole year, so.- We could do pixel.- Still think we should do a big,- A pixel?- Why can't you do a group of,- Biggs on again.- Do what?- Why can't you do a group of,- We could do it, we could do it early fall group,- We could do it early, we could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- We could do it early fall.- Adam Sandwell.- He went from dealership to dealership.- They give money.- The dealership did, but more than dealership, is people showed up and gave money.- Okay.- Here's the thing, bro.- Do we dealership tour from like a Friday to a Sunday?- They had to reach out to every one of those dealerships.- They gave me one of those dealerships and talked to them, and working out with them, and get approval to do it. We have 18,000 subscribers. He has 200,000 subscribers.- I get that, but it's.- He raised.- He raised.- He raised.- He raised over 500,000.- Yeah.- So I think his goal was 500,000. I think they broke it by a little bit.- Because I feel like you attract more people.- I do attract more people. And again, there's no statistics on it, but I see him do it. And I'm not a big sandable follower. Like I see some stuff that pops up. I don't follow him personally. But what he did, and I saw the amount of money that he raised, and he's just popping into these dealerships, and you got guys going and chipping in. I feel like again, he raises 500,000, so you raise 10,000.- It was.- But the dealerships draw people, and they draw.- True.- True. But I really don't think the dealerships were the draw for him.- No, they weren't.- I think he's the draw, and the dealership tap to happen to be the closed location for that group of people for that day. You know what I mean? Like those people are in that area of that dealership, so we know that's our dealership. So they go to the dealership, because that's where Adam's going to be today. But he's really the draw. And I mean, he has a following in personality and stuff. That's just, you know, I'm not saying he's cooler than me, because he's not. But he has a bigger following, and he's been doing it for a long time now. Like, you know, so he's earned his stripes as far in the--- Right.- --in the fund-raising charity world. You know, this is a brand new thing for us. Neither of us have ever--- I'm speaking for you, I'm guessing. But we neither have I said ever done anything.- No, I'm not.- --because we didn't have any money for anything. Right?- --but that's different. He was working. We neither have any--- Like this is brand new, learning the ropes.- You know, and he had to do that way back when, and now he's got a huge support system.- He easily gets companies to support him, which changes the game.- You know, big companies, law tigers, things like that.- So, it's hard to, it's hard to, like, say, oh, well, he did it.- So do this, like--- Yeah, I'm just trying to, like, spit all different things out.- No, I get it.- How these different people--- And you got to dream big, right?- Right.- You got to dream big. That's what I said. Like, with this event, like, this is supposed to be a poker run. We sat right here. I don't know how many months ago.- I was in that chair.- And he was over there, and he's like, we're talking about-- I don't even remember what we're talking about, but you were like--- Doing a spring group ride.- Spring group ride. He's like, well, what do you think? Like, do you think we could do a poker run? And I was like, yeah, I think we could do a poker run. Like, sure. Why not? And that is evolved in just a couple of months into way more than a poker run. The poker run is really an afterthought on this thing right now.- Yeah.- Not that, you know, it's fun for the bikers and stuff and whatnot. But in the fundraising scheme of things, it's not even the biggest part of this. And it's evolved into, like, not even just a biker event. Like, this is a event for Patriots and anybody that wants to support veterans, right? So, and I told you, we got all these vendors now that want to come that-- they're not motorcycle related, you know? I think a lot of motorcycle riders ride too up with their old lady on the back. So, they're going to come and a lot of these vendors are going to, you know, excite the wives or whatever because it's kind of like stuff that not a-- the average biker would like, but whatever gets people there, and donating money is what we're trying to do. And that's the grand scheme of things with charity. But, yeah, I mean, this is brand new to us saying, like, we don't-- I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just winging it and I'm just trying to make it-- and this, my wife says, like, you know, if there's something I like or something, I'm into, like, I go all in.- Yeah.- And he'll tell you, like, I go all in and sometimes we were like,"Whoo, pump the brakes?" Like, I'm like, "No, if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it big." And I'm gonna make this thing as big as humanly possible. And hopefully--- Yeah, I'm gonna do it. - I'm gonna do it.- I think they are. - I think this is gonna be really--- Yeah. I mean, I'm as equally excited as I am scared of death.- Yeah. I mean-- - I have two fears.- That's it. - I have two fears in this. One, if freaking rains.- Yeah. - Well, we're going rain or shine.- Hey, listen. - I get it.- We're going rain or shine, but you know what affects it, right?- I know what affects it. - We're going to affect the overall number and-- - I didn't pick the date.- Just to that freaking people don't show up, you know? And I don't think that's gonna happen. And I'm gonna do everything I can as far as just freaking beaten this into people's brains that we're like, "Screw it, we're going." Because it's all we've heard for the last seven months. But those are my two biggest fears. Everything else, like, anything that happens, like it's gonna be a learning experience, you know?- Yeah. - Of an actual putting on event, you know? And I'm not afraid of those things that are gonna come up. I'm just afraid of those two things, you know, rains and-- And it's like pores. Like, yeah, you say rain or shine, but if it like--- I know. - If it's downpore, it's downpore, it's gonna, you know, or just no one comes and you're like, "Shit, I got all this stuff here for people and nobody comes." But I don't think that part of it's gonna happen, you know? And I really don't think the rain's gonna be an issue to realize you're so pretty good. So if it's terrible, if it's like, they're forecasting like some sort of tropical whatever, we'll figure it out if we have to like, find a new date and--- So you'll be talking like a week before-- - Yeah. If you see a week before, like, it's like hurricane weather's that weekend, like, you got it-- I mean, it's easy to say, yeah, rain or shine, but like, that's-- - Yeah, I feel--- I feel-- - I don't want to put it out into the atmosphere that that's any of that. - I know, that doesn't have any effect on it.- I know, it doesn't, but I feel like we picked the time of year that gives us the best odds. - Yeah, definitely.- That's why we did it. - Did we pick the same week in his Gettysburg? Yes, we do. Will we be better time than Gettysburg? I think we 100% will be. - I do.- Bang for your buck, I do. - Yeah, 100%.- I mean, we're charging five bucks again. I think they're 20 or 25. - Yeah.- And we might have more vendors-- - That's phenomenal.- We legit might have more vendors than them when it's all said and done. Trust me when I tell you I'm working every day--- I know you are. - On vendors.- I know you are. - And we have a massive field. Probably every bit as big as what they have at Gettysburg. And I'm going to try to fill it. - The scary thing is this could really turn into something.- That everybody's like, "Oh, what about next year?"- That's what scares me the most. - That's scary.- Yeah, what do we go next year? - Yeah, the first event is definitely tough, but it's not doable. Like the bike sprues in barbecue. The first time I went there, the first year that he had it, it was huge. Again, he didn't have so many vendors. He maybe had like, I want to say three or four actual motor cycle vendors and the rest were kind of like the woman pleasing on it.- No, I get it. - It was just like--- Yeah, like the local people that come out and say, "Hey, yeah, I'll sell some stuff." And then it turned out to be big. And then the second year, it grew. So I mean, you want to have your expectations high. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.- Yeah, I think it can absolutely positively happen.- There's no point in doing something like this and having low expectations.- It definitely takes effort there.- It takes-- - And you're putting in the effort.- Yeah, and it takes effort on top of doing everything else that we are trying to do on top of it.- Listen to that. - The gay side of me thinks I should have been a wedding planner anyway. So I'm okay with the work and the efforts.- Imagine that shit, huh?- I don't mind that. - Showing up.- Showing up. - So cocktail hour. Can we talk apps?- Listen, next year might be fine dining event. But I don't mind that work, man. If it raises money for the veterans, I'm willing to do the work. That's what it's all about. - Let me say this. We've already raised more money. And I know we've said our tally at 50k. Like I get that. But when we sat here in this room and talked about this, we've already raised more money than I thought we would raise.- Yeah. Yeah.- No kidding. - I agree.- 100%. - And we've gotten more money from people I didn't expect and less money from people I expected more from. And it's-- - Here's the cool thing, right? There's gonna be two awesome things that come out of this whole thing. One is we're gonna raise money for our vets and our first responders, which is the overall goal. The second thing is we're really meeting a lot of cool-- Like you said, with just the whole riding bikes thing, I've already met and made contacts with a lot of really cool people that I think in the future could be great contacts to have. And I feel like just gonna be even more as we go along with this. We've already gotten companies that were willing to give us money just out of the blue instead we're doing a fundraiser, you know, which is cool. That means there's other-- that gives me hope that there's at least people out there that care. So there's some cool stuff gonna come out of this regardless of what happens. And I'm excited about that. I feel like the contacts and the meeting people, I've met people locally that are already helping, your helping, Bryce helping, like people are putting the effort in.- Sam from the refineries helping. - Yeah, Sam has been huge, huge help. She actually connected us with the person who created the flyer and the logo for this whole event. And gave me some more really cool connections today. So it's cool to just like, kind of, you know, like you said, with the riding you meet people. And this event is helping us meet people too. And that's one of the biggest things that's come out of us riding and having this YouTube channel is the people we've met. Yeah. We've got to do some really cool stuff and go on some really cool rides, go to Sturgis and go to Detonin and go to Texas. And those have all been amazing, like personal, like things with us and our friends in Austin and John and stuff. And amazing stories will have forever. But like just the people we've met and the things we've been able to do because of it is just really cool, really cool.- And I feel like because of YouTube, we've gotten to immortalize some of those trips. And a snippet that is, you know, that is kind of cool. I mean, you know, we took a day at riding at Sturgis and obviously I put it into like an 8 minute video for like a whole day. But I mean, it's still like a day of riding at Sturgis, you know, that any of us can have forever.- Yeah.- You know.- Yeah, it's neat.- And everybody loves watching it.- It's a crazy thing.- I love watching it. You love watching it even if it's not you. But it is you.- Yeah.- That's what makes it even cooler.- That's what, I mean, that's what got me into this whole thing in the first place was like watching, like just watching it because I couldn't go.- Yeah.- But watching it was like second best, right? Like I can't go. So watching other people, watching other people's videos on YouTube and stuff was like cool. I mean, I can't go. So this is the next best thing. And now like we're making those videos for other people. Which is really neat.- And we get awesome comments about that.- Yeah, it's fun.- Would they enjoy, like I can't go, but I enjoy the fact that I get to live it through you guys' videos. That's freaking awesome, man.- And you push people too on the outside. Like, I can't go to this, but you're giving me the drive to one ago.- It's not like that. Like some people, and there's always like, I feel like you always like meet people who like hit you more than other people like Hector. You know, Hector was a guy who watched us from early on, commented on all sorts of videos, and then we in here from Hector for a long time. And then this summer we ran into Hector, and he had a major stroke. Like, he's not riding. I don't know that he'll never ride again, but he's certainly not riding now. And for him just to be like, hey, you know, I can't ride, but I love watching your stuff. You know, it's just, I don't know, it's a cool thing.- Yeah, it's awesome.- Not something you expect to do.- I mean, yeah, like a cool message like that, or like, affect somebody on a personal level. You get a lot of stupid stuff and hate mail and crap like that.- Do you guys get hate mail?- Yeah.- Yeah.- Really?- We did a whole mail, it's more of comments, hate comments, but yeah, that we didn't, yeah, you don't watch our stuff.- This I do, my other effort.- You got a whole video on re-acting to hate comments.- You got to watch our hate comments.- Go back and watch it. It's funny. And the funny thing is, since that video, I've already got several that are saved for the next one.- For the next one?- Yeah, I'm gonna do that. People love that video.- Yeah, people.- They like you gotta do this more often. This is great.- Because we just reacted to people's stupid comments or mean comments or hate comments.- What did they say?- Some of it's funny.- We did early install videos and I had this squeaky fan of my garage.- Uh-huh.- Is it?- The whole, the whole fuck time, man.- We're gonna call on us fat posters.- We're gonna call it fat posters.- It runs the gamut of hate.- It's incredible.- A lot of times it's not necessarily hate specifically on us, but on the bikers in general.- Yeah, we get a lot of that.- That's our people, you know.- People hate bikers.- Yeah, man.- Watching a biker video, hating bikers.- The best thing was when you have one that really blows up and that's when you really get all the comments. Like you get all of it. Like we always had, like every video we put out, we know this group of people is gonna comment or like it, right? Because they're the people that are subscribed to us and like our stuff. But then when you put one out that really blows up and gets more views than normal, it brings out all these new people that have never seen you before and watch it for the first time. So they have something to say. And it's funny because usually it's like you're watching these bikers on their biker YouTube channel video. But you hate bikers and you like some really negative mean thing to say.- It's hilarious.- We're putting out a video on the Ian Zering incident where Ian Zering got into a fight with like all the guys on the many bikes. And the video, I mean, I want to say it was blown up, but it did well.- It did well for a while.- It did well. And like eight hours into like, or like early into the next day, I get a text from him. They're fighting in the comments.- So people were actually best.- Steve, we're actually going at each other in the comments.- If you get like your supporters to like go like to fight with your people that hate you in the comments, that's like the thing. You got your back. That's how TikTok is, which we haven't really been super active on TikTok.- They go at each other.- You guys have a TikTok now too.- Yeah, we have.- We have Amos on TikTok.- We have 20,000 followers.- 21,000.- Almost 24.- Almost 24.- Where are we then?- 23 points.- Yeah.- Mostly from one video. That blew up big time.- Yeah.- But that's how TikTok is.- They were like views.- They were like views.- They like, your supporters will, yeah, that one video did. Your supporters will like freaking defend you on TikTok more than any of the other platforms. And it's funny. Because we were like new on TikTok and blew up pretty quick with a couple of videos from Sturgis. So we got a big falling fast. And that's what happens. Like the haters will come out and say something. And then all of a sudden the people are like, you like freaking attack them. And you're like, yes, go. You don't even have to say it. On YouTube, I got to defend, I got to defend us. Like if you do somebody say something, no one else is going to say anything.- That's you.- Or you ever rude from here.- Yeah.- Like from the founders in Bruce Lee.- Oh, yeah.- Well, no, I do.- Because I see some of your comments and you're like, you're trying to play them like a nice guy.- No.- And these are like--- I do most of my aggressive stuff from my own debirre account.- Yeah.- Which I think most people that know us know, the beard is connected to, you know, maybe some random newbies don't, but most people know that the beard is--- I feel like we're nicer in the beginning.- Yeah, definitely. Because in the beginning you're like, we just, you know--- I know, I see something like--- Don't want to make waves.- That's so nice.- It was like somebody would say something real dick and you'd be like, thanks for watching. You know, just because, you know, you can say all the mean stuff you want. Every comment is an interaction which helps the algorithm. So we like, we didn't want to be like, we're just like, whatever, let them say whatever they want. But now I'm at the point like, I don't care.- Yeah, I don't think people understand that because I didn't know that until, like, again--- Don't tell them the secrets.- I knew this from Vanessa. She rides Bodo is the people that would say negative comments to her and she would respond,"Hey, thank you for watching. You're doing me a favor." And then people would keep it and she said, "Thank you so much. You're helping me out."- Yeah, we just said, thanks for watching. Like, because, hey, one, you come at me with some bullshit and then I say that, you know that pisses them off.- Yeah, I am.- Because you're super pleasant back to them and they're like, "Just none of that ever." But not only that, but then it might drive another comment from them, which again, if they respond to you because you piss them off, boom, another comment. And one or two doesn't matter, but in the grand scheme of things, it adds up to where it drives the algorithm. That's because that's interaction. And they feel like viewers are interacting. They must like it or whatever. It didn't really care if it's just an interaction. So it drives that video and pushes it to see more people. So I'm like, "Hey, whatever." But now, you know, and we're not huge at all by any stretch of the imagination. But I'm comfortable to the point where I'm like, "FU, bro." Like, say something I'm going to have some sort of comment. Especially if you come with some stupid comment. Like, I'm always going to have a comment. Like, I'm a real biker because I ride in the snow in Virginia. Oh, jeez. First time I've ever dropped that. Somebody actually dropped that. He said he weren't real bikers because we were talking about, you know, if it snow is, you know, we're going to ride in the snow, right? Like, only time I'm going to ride in the snow is-- I don't think anybody truly rides this stuff because-- Unless you're getting stuck in it. I don't think a motorcycle physically moves in the snow. Except for this hand job and the mountains of freaking Virginia. You? No, no, this guy kind of-- It's snow's down here. I ride all the time in the snow. I can't pull your bike out on a driveway that's flat. It has snow on it and rev your motor and try to go and then we'll be like, this and it'll slide right out. Well, the other thing you can't do is fix stupid. You can't. That kills me. And we're not big, right? And we still get our fair share of stupid. So imagine if you can imagine-- Yeah, imagine. 150,000 subscribers to kind of stupid those guys have to deal with. But they're still subscribing and screwing up the algorithm. Well, no, the people leaving the stupid comments aren't subscribing. But they are leaving a comment and driving the algorithm for sure. And you don't want to describe, right? Because you don't want people to subscribe to your stuff that's not going to watch your stuff. Because in the grand scheme of things, if they subscribe and don't watch, that's not good. Right? Right. So if you're not going to watch, don't subscribe. But yeah, that'd be commenting. So it drives the algorithm. It's interaction. So whatever. But yeah, I don't let it fly anymore. If you say something stupid, I'll just come back with something stupid. If you say something stupid, odds are you're not subscribed anyway. So I don't care if I offend you. Yeah. And at this point, if you're going to unsubscribe, well-- That too. I don't care. We've seen our subscriber numbers go up and down and up and down and up. And YouTube does weird things. And we lose subscribers and gain subscribers. And like, sitting one split-- I don't care at this point. At this point, we're just doing it because we enjoy it. And we're kind of dedicated to it. You go through the same-- Subscriber or not, subscribe, whatever. And I want to say, when you've been doing it as long as we've been doing it. Four years, man. And the grand scheme of things. And the grand scheme of motorcycle YouTube-- And the grand scheme of YouTube. Four years, long time. We've been doing it a long time. Most people get YouTube and they don't make bank. So they're gone. People think, oh, get into YouTube, I'll make all this money. No, you won't. Very small percentage of people actually make any money off of this. So you get into it and-- So what is the money? Is it the advertising? A company will come to you and say, hey, can you put me in your ad? No. Well, no, you can't. Well, I mean, you can have companies come to you. But YouTube alone, the whole process of YouTube, YouTube. Google pays you. Google pays you. I have no idea how YouTube works. So Google pays you in. So Google pays you in. I have no idea how YouTube works. So Google pays you in. So when you-- when somebody watches your videos and they watch a commercial, it's in that video, you get paid a tiny little bit. And all those tiny little bits add up. So it's not a lot. It's not what people think it is. Like, I don't know where people-- I think because they see the media. And they say, oh, this 10-year-old made $10 million less. Yeah, but it's even like most of the people in motorcycle order aren't even like equivalent to that. I feel like they see the nice bike. They see the parts. They see the stuff. And they're like, oh, we get free parts. Well, and everybody is-- I say that. Like, people who know us like, no, you don't get free parts. You're getting parts. You're making a video. You're taking four times as long to put these parts on because you're making a video. Right. When you've been with us in a garage, when I haven't even been shooting real videos. Yeah. You know, I've been shooting kind of, you know, kind of haphazard. You know, using footage for other stuff. I mean, I shot-- When we did his bars, I shot like footage all day, some of which I still have stuff that I want to do. Because I was even there like four hours. Right. And-- And condensed that video in. And-- But a little bit of that footage made it into our 2023 recap video. It was like two shots. It was like you cracking a beer and then, you know, my, you know, my nephew and, you know, Apple Glide. And everybody like sitting in the chair and just like over a quick narrative. So it's, you know, you put a lot more time into it than you get back. You definitely put more into it than you get back from it financially. Right. I feel like at 17, almost 18,000 subscribers, the channel makes enough to support itself. Like the channel makes enough that we're not putting money out of our pockets for subscriptions, for things like all that music, like that music isn't free. So we pay, you know, annually-- Wait, like the music? In our videos, we pay an annual fee to use music as all of this. That's just a flat fee, though. Yeah. So, you know, we pay for that. You're right. Yeah, it's copyrighted. So do people like, is it possible for people to go like behind the doors and use music that's copyrighted, obviously, but they just use it and they don't pay anything or now it's like-- They can do it. In the traction. You'll get dinged. And after a couple of times, you two will cut you out. Just ban you. So, and there's things like, you know, Bagger's and Brewers basically funds this podcast right now for the most part. You know, I mean, it was a little bit of podcast equipment, a couple of mics. Hosting a podcast isn't free. It costs you money every month, like host a podcast. People don't necessarily realize that. We've stock footage website that we've used up until recently, you know, we're still using technically that, you know, that costs money. So if you were to go per episode to have a podcast, what is it? I don't know. Made or spent? Spent. You guys spend to have a podcast episode. To host a podcast. It's hard to say because you got to take those subscription based things that we have and kind of break that down. Like six, six hours a podcast time is probably like 20 bucks a month, 24 bucks a month. But again, like that all, you know. That's just, yeah, that's just for that. That host, that podcast host that we use that puts it out onto all the podcast platforms. You know, you got to pay for that. I'm sure he said that already. But yeah, I mean, it's little things like that. And then the equipment that you got to fund. And if you get into it and you're doing well, you're always trying to upgrade that stuff. You know, we have a. We've got three GoPro's that really need upgrading probably this year. We have a webcam staring at you right now, bro. They made another GoPro. They make GoPro always people don't realize that. I kind of feel like you want to go away from GoPro, don't we? I kind of feel like we want to get away from GoPro too. Yeah, actually. That's what's like the next thing after GoPro. DJI makes a. We use their mics for a lot of our stuff and DJI is awesome. Yeah, they make like a GoPro type. They make a GoPro style camera. So I mean, it's just, you know, I mean, GoPro's, I mean, we started this channel with one GoPro. And then when we went to Texas, I was like, we need to go pro. This is a big trip. And then we had our second GoPro. And it was just like, I feel like the first one I bought with like Stacy's like work gift that she got to be in there like five years. So I forget what started this part of the conversation. But can you make money off of you too? Sure. Yeah. Can you make money to where it's your full time job? You can. Yes. But it's rare. But it's very difficult. It's rare. You got to be prepared to grind. You also got to have a lot of fortune. You got to kind of blow up like some people do. Some people don't, right? Like some people randomly promunky got on way after the us, right? And he was, he was fanboying us, right? But he blew up because people liked him. They liked his character. They liked what he was doing with his videos. And he blew up. And now he's way bigger than us, right? And can he quit his job off what he has? No. If you talk to him, his job is way more money than that. But does he? Are there people with fewer subscribers than then? Then then then then T.J. who do this full time? Yes. But that's all lifestyle though, right? That depends on like how your lifestyle is. Right. Right. That's kind of that's objective. But can we based off what we know we make off of YouTube? Can we kind of figure out what he makes off of YouTube? Yes. And know that is it good money for a side gig or what he calls a hobby? Yeah. It's really good. And you can more than fund it and have a little extra bank. Or you can do the cool things that he's doing where you have all those extra bikes in the garage. Because it's a good chunk and not to blow up monkey spot. I don't think he listens to our podcast. But if he does, what he's doing is awesome. But just knowing like what off of 18,000 subscribers we get from Google, you can kind of extrapolate that and figure out that, you know, and he's one guy we're two guys, right? Like so we're not like splitting any kind of profits. All of our money goes back into all of our projects. But that's money he's got coming in to decide what he wants to do with. And it's not bad. Yeah, I mean, that's a misconception I think people have. I mean, mostly everything we get we invest back into the brand with an occasional going out to grab food and some food. Yeah, no really, honestly. Everything we make goes back into it. Or we'll spend a few bucks when we go to meet some people to talk about something related to YouTube or have some sort of we go out to eat and we're going to talk about stuff. And we'll do it business dinner, right? Yeah. But that's peanuts compared to most of what we spend goes right back into it with subscriptions, and equipment, and expenses like that. Yeah, I mean, we were fortunate. We started up a podcast. We got podcast mics. We got a mix and board and all this stuff was funded by the channel. But that's kind of what we do. So I think people just have a huge misconception. They see the free parts. There's no paycheck. They see this stuff and they're like, "Oh, well, you can do that." And it's like, "You really don't understand." And they also, they see this five or ten minute video on YouTube, and they have no idea what went into doing that. Yeah, that's why I know how much time you guys put into it. I'm just like, "I could never." But on the flip side, everybody puts a different amount of time in. On the flip side, right? Yeah, we put a lot of time in. Yeah, we don't make a lot of money, you know, monetarily. But would I have, would I invest in or have the money to spend on 90% of the stuff I put on my bike on my own? I wouldn't, because I have a wife and kids, and I don't have that kind of money to spend on my toys. So has this process and having these relationships with vendors, got me a lot of really cool shit for my bike that I never would have bought myself. Absolutely. So is that worth it to me? Is that kind of like my paycheck? Absolutely. Yeah. You know, Evan Black wants to give me all this amazing stuff that I would never afford to buy. Absolutely. Zero. Same thing. Tab. Same thing. Like, this is all stuff on this bike that I love that I wouldn't spend myself. It is kind of like a, those little parts are a paycheck for me. I agree with that. It's kind of like a reward. I mean, we were in the position where, you know, he had a bike go down in July. Mm-hmm. June or July. July. And July. And not only, you know, by October, I guess, or September going down to a rally with New Bar as a tune. New bike, New Bar, New Tun. New Fools Outs. New Fools Outs. It's a huge outlay. No, it's absolutely amazing connections we made with these companies that support us and are willing to do something like that. You know, they had already invested all this money in my bike. And as soon as it went down and they knew about it, they like let us know what you need. Like, those are the cool relationships that you get to build out of this. That, you know, we don't bring home a paycheck but those, that's the paycheck, like, that's the bonus. Yeah, I mean, just the DM is of, you know, just let us know what you need, let us know what you need, anything. I mean, for me, one of the biggest impacts it has is I feel like it's changed my outlook on some of these businesses. And I know you've had this too because you put together a event, you know, guys like, you know, Jay from left lane, you know, you know, so wiki, you know, speed, you know, some of these companies, like, you know, we have with tab and zero. And they're just small American companies that are living their American dream, doing their thing, creating jobs. For people, you know, and, you know, people, the perception people get when they see like this big rig or this big tent at a rally is like, oh, man, this is this big company. No, no, it's not, you know, like, they have a handful of employees. They're a small business. I think eight or nine people work for tab. I bet you'll probably 20 or 25 people work for zero for all of zero. You know, I mean, how many people work at Swicki? Not that many. Not that many. It's like a handful of people. So clock works. I mean, he runs all of clock works with those people. Those people are living the American dream. I feel like 12 people are working. I work as a small and they're doing a huge business. Huge business. Yeah. And that guy is a business man. We got we were fortunate enough to spend some time with him at Daytona at his tent where he just started talking to us and was really pretty open and just like kind of talking. And we were just like, what I'm talking that dude's a businessman. He gets it and way advanced from anywhere I've I'll be or will be anytime soon as far as business goes and like he gets it man, but he's putting the work in. He's putting the work in but it's a small business and that's the American dream. You have an idea. You have like. He helps out a lot too with everybody. Yeah. Yeah. He's involved in a lot. When everybody has an event, you see clock works. He's involved in a lot. It's just one of those things. It's just changed my way how you how I look at like some of these companies. I mean, you see, you know, like we and for opportunity, like we have an open invitation to go ride with Thomas Rudd. Most people probably you don't know who that is, but like he's the guy created. He's the guy who created the big book of cycle parts. Not the JMP cycles book, but the other book. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. For his days. He's young. Yeah. He's the answer. But I mean, that's like it's old school like bike parts. Yeah. I don't know. So it's like we've had the opportunity to meet some of these people and it's just, you know, Brian clock. I feel like I was watching Brian clock on bike or build off and here I am, you know, it was really cool. Less than a decade later, like we just wanted to say hi and the guy hung out for us for 15 minutes or so, like just talking. Yeah. What's talking about connections he had that the guy next to him, I forget what his. He was a suspension guy. Suspension guy. We were down there getting suspension. Like just talking about and he's like and he's interacting and he's like trying to work with and do things with everybody. Like because again, I think he's one of those guys that believes like, you know, you know, rising tide raised all ships. Like he's not like trying to like compete in battle with people. He's trying to bring everybody up and it's cool to see that kind of thing because you do see a lot of competitiveness and, you know, feuding amongst businesses that are similar, right? In all industries. Mm-hmm. Not just motorcycles, but he's one of those guys that thinks like there's a place for air with all of us, you know. We can all be successful. There's enough, there's enough pie for all of us. Yeah. And he like preaches that and he's like trying to help everywhere he can and be involved. And again, like small business, but man, they're making money. Small business big vision. I mean, I remember him down in the day, Tony Alessio. He was given like when he was releasing the Jack Daniels mom and her. We were at the Indian booth and he literally came into tears like trying to give his speech, which I'm sure he went over and over and over. And he still came to tears with it. Yeah. It's just like his passion. Yeah, I feel like if you go to a rally and you just walk to a parking lot of rally and you just count, I feel like eight out of ten bikes are going to have like screens are going to have a clock works. Oh, yeah. It's easily. Yeah. And there's lots of other brands, but eight out of ten are going to be clock works because it's just it's blown up. It's huge. Everybody loves them. And they'll have like two or three, especially if you have like a road line, they make like the whatever four or five different. I remember I had three. I feel like it's been quick. Like I was looking at mine. I remember when I ordered mine, you were like, hmm, I got to like that. Like it wasn't, I feel like when I ordered my first clock works in 2018, it was popular, but I don't feel like it was the standard almost that it is now. Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, and this is only, you know, you're talking less than a decade. I feel like it was not the standard. And the crazy, I mean, he's like, if you follow him on Instagram or Facebook learning that stuff, like, he's like rubbing elbows with like the old school, the old school, the different biker builders, all like everybody that's got a name in like the bike world. He was a builder. Yeah. He's like, he's friends with them. And they're doing cool shit together. It's really neat to see. It's way, way past anything. I can never, I don't know, I can't build like, I can't build a fart. Yeah. When we build the bike, when we build the bike, we get past this 2024 event and we can have a few funds to buy a bike to build. This is how ideas, this is how ideas happen. We've talked about it, man. It's just a matter of funding the actual bike that you got to buy them to build. That's why you should have kept your twin cam. Well, it wasn't a matter of keeping it. I had to pay for it. Well, that could have been it. It could have been. That could have been a cheap. And then it's there and we go piece by piece by piece. I feel like that's a good, like, something to keep our eyes on for next winter. Well, we still have, we still have three quarters of a year for the auction site. So that we're paid up on. Oh shit. So the funds still, it's still available? No, that bike's not. But we registered with co-part, which auctions bikes off every day. So let's go, baby. You know what yours went for? Well, that's good. I did not see what the final price was. It got past where I could afford to do it. The last I just thought it was like 6500. Still a steal. If you have 6500, it is. Yeah. I mean, if you don't have 6500, it's about 26,000. I mean, it's like, you know, it's-- I was hoping it'd go for like 1,800. It's a good motor, man. And I had to bought it for 1,800. Well, that motor did have chunks come out of the train a couple times, and it changed. One time, bro. One time. One time, I like that. I do not disrespect your beard guy like that. I think that was user error, too. Oh, shit. Yeah, the guy who texted it. Oh, you got a blend of the guy doing the change. Yeah, a shift from dude Jack, something up when he was doing the change. I trains me all kinds of noise. They're all so water-mexed friends. I mean, wines. Austin, I love you, buddy. I trains that trains wouldn't have gone 20 miles with Sam riding. Oh, my gosh. I have to think my train is going right now. See? That's what I'm talking about. I'm trying to think about it. What year's your bike? 2019. Come on, 2019. What a 2022 power plant. Three transmissions. Yeah. At least you just call that bike the tranny. Yeah. Yeah. This tranny, fucks. Yeah. What do you, uh, I'm really switching topics now. What do you think of, uh, Vic, Vic? What's his name? The, um, Republican candidate, Vic's, uh, Rammeshwamy. Rammeshwamy, that's it. I like him. I like him. I like him. I like hearing him talk. What I like is, I like him. What I like is him as the VP on Trump's ticket. Dude, dude, all right. Listen, dude, the president would be like,"The president doesn't get to pick his VP. Is that correct?" No, no, no, yes. The guy who picks his VP can't. Ultimately, the president gets to, but there's, there's, there's, I thought he's not the president when he picks his VP candidate. There's, he's still running when he picks up. There's definitely influence. Of course, I knew Trump was like Pence, but they, it was like, I thought it was out of Trump's hand that Pence was going to be the VP. Well, they needed, they needed a, a middle America guy to kind of balance Trump. Yeah. I think what they got was a pump on logs. The, the guy running as the president has the final say. It's his choice. He has to do it. Okay. But I mean, you do have to work with the people in that party. Right. So there is, you know, if you're running Republican or Democrat, you are trying to make people happy in whatever, but oh my God, dude, if you through it, if it came down to, if it boils down to once, if Trump wins the, the primary, if it boils down to him and he says, give me, I can't say it's not a Swami. Yeah. I love that, dude. I'm still skeptical because he came out of nowhere and he's saying all the things I love. So I'm like, is he a robot? Is he, is like what is, what's the joke? No, but he was a scam, but holy crap, dude. He is witty, he's smart. He can think like on a dime kind of literally on a dime and he can answer questions and he, and he can, and he's, he almost put a, what's her fate? What's her name? It's it. Her, the female candidate. Oh, Nina Haley. You need to, you need to my clothes. It's a, my clothes.- I thought it was like... - You were like, you were mainly to those showing a police smoke. You're underwear hanging out, bro.- I think it was three debates ago. I thought she was going to cry.- Yeah, no, he's- - When he was talking about the areas that she wants to send, you want to send our sons and daughters over here to get killed and you don't even know their, I think it was the Regents, you can't even name them. You can't even name them. Look at you, you can, and she's just standing there at the camera and I thought she was gonna cry.- Yeah. - I thought she was going to cry.- Yeah, I mean, I like him. I do think he's super young.- Yeah, I don't think he's as tall as he is.- That's what the Democretz are worried about.- The Democretz are worried. They're like, listen, he's gonna outlive Trump by 50 years. And they're like, "Honam," or whatever,"Nazi" and he's gonna be a dictator.- He's got great answers for all that bullshit rhetoric.- Oh, he hammers it.- He's so good. - And it's literally, there's no thing- - I'm just waiting for when they pull the current back. What is it? What are we not seeing? Sometimes I feel like he's too good to be true.- Yeah, my favorite thing about him is-- He's a Trump supporter.- That's what makes him be a better.- Well, he's not stupid. And it doesn't take a genius to support the lead horse. And not for nothing. I mean, Trump is still by far the lead horse.- By far the lead horse.- It just gets more and more every day.- Yeah, the more the Democretz do. The more Bullshit they press, the further head he gets. And it's completely backfired.- To the point where- - And it took us two and a half hours to get to some politics.- I like it. - Nice, I like it.- Let's go, marathon.- I was gonna kill me, but let's do it.- We need more pepper.- I guess some more pepper.- Pepper.- I almost drank all of it, so good luck. He ordered Carolyn food, it's still sitting downstairs.- We're not out of that.- Can we get some avocado?- Hopefully she still knows me. I'm sorry, baby. This is the marathon. Friggin, Sam showed up late, man.- I'm gonna say it.- I'm a fucking model, right?- I literally told you, six, I'll be there between 6, 30 and seven o'clock.- Oh, snap, hold on, this is on the air breaking news announcement from a former classmate of high school. I got a $250 sponsorship for you. Mill race, village shops.- Huh.- Mill race. - This is coming from Mill race, village shops. This is coming from our girl, Alia Bux. Do you know Alia Bux?- Should I?- Yeah, that's a high school.- We killed that whole bottle.- I don't know.- 100%.- Can I keep that bottle?- I'm sorry Alia, that George's not know who you are, but I know who you are. That is awesome, that's a Friggin 250 sponsorship.- I will.- I'll have to reach out to her after this is over, but that was news worthy of making the podcast.- Was news worthy of cutting off Trump, it was huge.- Huge, good, huge.- Why would you Trump talk?- All right, wait, so.- It's a comedy braces.- I think you were gonna, but I'm gonna go.- All right, so hit me with your thoughts on this. It's not going to happen. There's no way it's not gonna happen. But if the Supreme Court ruled that Trump's name will be taken off the ballot of Colorado, what do you think would happen?- I don't know.- Again, it's not going to be, how many, just nine?- I think there'll be a nine zero vote.- They're gonna have to take him off at least 20 states for him not to win this primary.- What would you think a revolution would happen?- No.- I don't.- If they took his name off of the ballot.- Sadly, I don't. Do I think one should happen? Yes. The original revolution happened for a far less. But now I don't think so. I mean, I think Americans have gotten so comfortable in thinking someone else is gonna come to their rescue. That's the mentality that Americans have. That won't happen. Somebody else will fix it. Somebody else will fix it. And I don't think, I think there's a very, very, very small percentage of people that are ready to do something like that. And again, I mean, I kind of agree with some of these guys I watched that are like former Special Forces guys that are like, you guys talk about a revolution, and you've never done, like you never got off the couch. You have no idea what it's like to see that kind of bloodshed and to have to do that kind of thing, right? So I do think most of the people's viewing revolution or full shit, like you're not really good at it.- Again, this is my opinion. I think military is a big issue.- Military?- When it comes down to what our government's doing because ultimately they have the say, but you have these higher up military guys taking the million dollar bribes from these officials. And then they're gonna have people like my brother that are younger. Again, my brother's been in like 10, 11, 12 years. I think he's in 12 years. He's gonna do as he's told. So if I'm getting that $3 million bribe, you keep your thoughts.- So, and the kids are just gonna fall.- It's a revolutionary times, like no military guys have really had to make that kind of decision, but at some point it might come to that where like, you gotta decide am I doing what I'm told? Or am I doing, you know, what's best for me and my family?- Their program to say, I'm gonna do as I'm told.- They're not all that for me.- Not all the military guys that I, I mean, think about it, we got a crap ton of people in the military just there to get, like, you know, transactual.- Look at the NYPD.- I know, but I'm just saying they're not all like brainwash.- They're not saying they're all brainwash.- They're not saying they're all brainwash.- And they've never, they haven't been put in a position to where they have to like, you know, possibly like shoot or do something to like American citizens is what I'm saying. Like that's gonna be like the real wine in the sand. And that's when you really see where people stand, you know. If like, there was a revolution and the government to call on the military to go against the populace, like that's where that real wine in the sand would be drawn. Would your brother, is he gonna shoot you?'Cause your, 'cause his boss told them to.- As bad as it is. And I love my brother, I think you would. I think he's a little bit more brainwashed.- What's your brother's name?(laughing)- He's a do is told. I feel like he wasn't before, he joined the military, he's a do is told. Well, and I always bust his balls on it too. And me and him talk about this. Again, I talked to my brother two or three times a year, but I always bust his balls in this category. And I always tell him like you guys are the, you guys are the problem because you follow directions from people of problem.- People taking two, three million dollar brides and having a bank account.- They have to be who blood are, the military is the whole system is based on following your leadership and your, you know, instruction from your superiors. They have to be people that do as they're told. But there is a line. I mean, there's always a line. Like that line is not anything that anybody ever envisioned or thought would be something that those people have to deal with. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think your brother would, like, I don't know.- I feel like Sarah Kennedy, he was this whole, the whole bribery thing kind of came up in the media and Kennedy, answered it in a good way in the fact that, you know, what situations like Ukraine, you know, people are like, oh, we're sending the American dollars over there and Kennedy was like, it's kind of not what we're doing. We're basically just laundering the money and we're sending American dollars over there to give it back to American companies. You know, and that's the, you know, that's kind of the, my grandfather from World War II. He said that's kind of the name of the game. I mean, those guys knew that, you know, this was not like a new generation type of a thing. I mean, even in World War II, he was like, this is not like, this is not the good versus evil fight that we think it is. It's more about industry and industrialization and the war machine and like that was his whole thing and his point was that people just don't understand what like the war machine is, you know, the war machine is private industry. But I think, I don't think the Supreme Court's gonna be able to take him off the ballot.- I don't think it's gonna be a, the way the 14th amendment is written, it's, you know, it's written to prevent exactly what they're doing.- Yeah, and they're going, they're going strictly constitutional and I don't, I don't think it's gonna be a 90 vote.- I'd be surprised if it wasn't, but you gotta, you gotta think about it, that these, these justices have their position, they're not, they're not going anywhere, so they don't have to fear like as far as the Democratic Party is concerned.- Oh, but they do.- But they don't, they're not, they can't be taken off the Supreme Court.- Listen. - They're there to die.- If that was the case, I don't think Justice Roberts would have been out having dinner with the special council last week and we all know that that happened. So, which, that should--- Do you think, do you think he's gonna be taken off the ballot?- I don't think he's, we take it off. I don't think he's gonna be taken off the ballot.- The Colorado. - Colorado. And then obviously from Colorado if the Supreme Court passes it, then all these Democratic states, these liberal, they're gonna hop on.- But the other thing is the last ditch effort, I think they know what kind of trip they're in, they were just going to extremes, to try to--- It wasn't even the last ditch ever, the next effort they're doing now, like nobody's talking about, it's happened in the past two days, is the Democratic Committee just told New Hampshire that they're not gonna have the first primary in the Democratic primaries. They're not gonna have the first one. And the Democratic Party told them that if they do have it, they're gonna invalidate it because they want South Carolina to have it. Because South Carolina is where Sleepy Joe did the best.- Which is disgusting.- Which is disgusting on an HBW.- This guy can't even put together a sentence. And you know who I really can't stand, is the fucking press secretary, Pierre.- Jesus, Lord.- I thought I hated Sockie.- Pierre, Pierre, Jean-Pierre.- Pierre stepped in. And every time I hear her speak, and well she doesn't even speak now because when somebody asks one simple question, she's like, we're done and she walks away. And I wish it was like NFL, where if a receiver or a quarterback doesn't answer a press conference question, they can't find. - They find them.- They find them.- Why is she any different? She's speaking for the US.- Why does our president not ever speak in front of the press?- So this is the trickle down.- It used to be the case.- The whole point of the press conference is to get information to the American people, filtered down from the president via a press secretary, that's the whole point of it. And the trickle down is you take people like Hillary Clinton, who's one of the biggest scumbags on the face of the planet, who monetized her office, right? When she was secretary of state, she monetized the office instead of if you don't donate to the Clinton Foundation, you're not gonna get time with me. So she monetized the office. And that's not how that office works. And that kind of behavior is just a trickle down. Like, well, we're here to serve the people. Well, we're not real here to serve the people. I don't like your questions. We're done.- It's so...- It's all, it's a little bit different in definition, but it's basically all the same behavior. It's just allowing people to do shit that they should not be able to do.- And there's no answer for it.- And there's no consequence.- Yep.- There's no consequence. I mean, at least Pepper and Mimpatty said,"I'll circle back and she lied about that."I'll circle back."I'm gonna circle back."We'll circle back."- Circle back, Jen?- Yeah, that's why she's just going. She realizes she couldn't do anymore.- She realized the singing ship that was.- She was honest.- You know what? - Well, it's dishonest that she was in her press conferences. At least she finally bit the bull. It was like, you know what? I can't do this anymore.- Yeah, but it's perfectly normal. It's perfectly normal for that position to cycle over throughout a presidency. It has happened through every presidency. And I feel like they made a bigger deal of it, but with Trump wouldn't have, but now Biden's gone through two. It's...- Well, that's the thing.- The stress.- The Republican does it is because, oh my God, there's issues.- The stress of that position is binding.- It's normal. - It's normal. The normal hypocrisy is loved.- My favorite was Kayleigh McAnnie though. She had her binder boy and she asked her question. She was like, hold on for a second. And she flipped to her page and her binder. She had those pages memorized and she'd be like, "FU, here's your answer." And it was never...- No, she was good.- There was never... I never saw her walk away from a podium because of what's...- Well, she had backed out from questions.- Yeah, I mean.- Or just blatantly lie or just say,"Oh, we're not gonna answer it." Like she, you know, did her job.- It's crazy.- Yes, she was good.- Yeah, Pierre is on a different level.- And as always, conservative women are just much better looking than liberals and just, I don't know, like age to make sure.- Like that's your Pierre's, but we thought about this the other night though.- Oh, what?- A bad driver.- Oh my God.- What was it that there was like a mayor, a mayor, a governor in Chicago, I don't know. She's making like 255,000 years here and then she put it to where as if she loses the...- Yeah, trying to make some role to where if she loses, that job goes to like 25,000 or something.- 25,000,000.- Yeah.- So it's not about money.- Here's the other thing that we're not, you know, necessarily talking about in the fact that even a Biden's had such a great four years in office for the country.- Great, terrific.- Right. The whole campaign strategy, and I don't wanna say it switched this week, but it really ramped up into the fact that all of his speeches basically been Trump has for him and not for you and I'm for you. Have you seen like the two like clips that have come out this week, everything, every he switched like the whole campaign just switched into the Trump attack. So you...- Well, Trump's a Nazi, you know that.- Oh my God, it's terrible. Yeah.- They were saying it's either gonna be, so the running of, and I forget the terminology for it. You go back to Pess and it's not just the US alone, but Trump's a dictator, Nazi, or it's gonna be sleepy Joe. One is the truth and one is not.- Yeah.- And that's gonna be the winner. And it could happen to either side.- I don't understand anything you just said.- Too much Ryan, and not a Ryan, the bottle, understand that one.- I was reading yesterday.- Is it a dictator?- So there's gonna be two sides.- I understand what you're saying.- Trump is a dictator, Trump's a Nazi, and they play off, the Trump side plays off of what you hear most about, it's sleepy Joe. There's gonna be one winner, there's gonna be truth or false, but you can go either side. So is Trump a dictator and he's gonna lose?- Dictator.- Yeah, they got him as Hitler.- And then you got on your own.- Then did you hear, whoopi Goldberg saying that Trump's--- I don't, listen.- She just whoopi Goldberg says.- That Trump is an absolute dictator and he wants to get rid of voting in the US and he wants to control the country for the rest of his lifetime.- He's fighting for, for going for a voter registration, voter ID, something like that.- I just like the name is--- So more than half the country wants, and she's a clown.- I can't believe she's a big kid.- She's a fat, disgusting pig.- You know what else we have going on? Putin is organized as national guard to squash and uprising. Did you guys see that?- No, I did not see that.- Yeah, there's a bit of--- They're having an uprising?- A bit of a revolution happening in Russia right now over this little conflict they're having in Ukraine. And I'm thinking to myself like--- I haven't heard anything about Ukraine.- Yeah, you don't watch that. You're in the car all day. I mean, how do you know?- I don't have a radio in my car.- Ah, there you go. But yeah, so that's going on. I'm just thinking myself like--- I'm trying to get in Russia.- What part of-- I wonder what part the CIA's had to play in that.- And fries, he hasn't slaughtered everybody.- Well, I think that's gonna be kind of, what it's gonna come, because I mean, these people are--- That's a weird need. We need to slaughter the blue-haired freak here.- The blue-haired freak.(laughing)- Did you see "Trump's New Campaign" shot though?- I don't know.- Like a video, but the very end--- I see a lot of stuff on it.- It's playing like an American song, you know, and it's got Biden in it. And then at the very end, I forget what song they were playing. But it's like where somebody yells, like at the end of the song, and it's that one girl with the glasses, that screaming.- No, I haven't seen that one.- If I find it, I'll send it to you,'cause it was freaking hilarious.- That's been interesting though.- I kinda feel like they've fielded these candidates, and I feel like Nikki Haley had a good shot at being VP.- She's a clown.- She's a clown.- This whole thing has just really exposed her.- I think it's-- - I think it's real.- And not in a good way. I mean, she's been exposed like the Eagles defensive backfield.- She can't talk, she just shuts down.- I knew we were gonna do a podcast with her.- She shuts down, man.- She doesn't know a lot of stuff.- She could not be a good debater, and maybe on the side.- If she has time to think about things.- Masterbater.- Don't say that kind of thing.- Even DeSantis. DeSantis, I thought, was a really good debater in his state of Florida, when he gets put on the podium. He kinda runs, like, he's not terrible.- He's not terrible.- I kinda feel like that stuff.- I feel like-- - I'm a swan, he can get in--- He's so young too though.- Putting circles around him, and he kinda stops. But Nikki Haley gets completely so young. And the one debate I was like, I forget which one this was, but when Vic was put in Nikki Haley down, Christy stepped in and was trying to defend her.- He wanted an ice cream bar.- Yeah, he did want an ice cream bar, but he stepped in and defended her. I've never seen that happen.- He defended Haley.- He defended Haley. He was like, listen, Vic rum, he's like, you can't just come up here and say that--- The both of Ryan are smart women.- Yeah, no.- She has a head on her shoulders. He had to step up and-- - Listen, you don't get to use that shit when you're on a frickin' debate podium.- Don't say that to her. She's smart intellectual. No, bro, we're all here battling it out. I don't give a shit what race, nationality, gender she is. It doesn't matter.- Ramaswani would give Trump a run for his money though.- Yeah, and a debate for sure.- I think he would actually win, 'cause that's not even--- I mean, maybe, but--- He was like, he's not Trump, right? Nobody has that, but in a--- I would love to say it.- In a debate for legitimate details, he would probably be better at it,'cause he, I think he's better at--- He's better at expressing himself.- But Trump says things, he's trying to get weird, gets lost.- I love when Trump--- People, again, with a more liberal side, will come at him with questions, and they'll say they'll state a fact, and then Trump will be like, he'll just stop and be like, no, where are you getting your information from? And then he'll turn back, he was like, can you please give me this information,'cause this isn't right? And then they'll come back, and they'll give Trump the information, and then trouble feed it back. He's like, you were wrong. You're sitting here saying that this is a fact, and it's not, and then the reporter just goes,- Yeah, I mean, he owns them, but--- I feel like Ram is swammy and Trump alone at the debate stage would be like, what was it dude, and the coach of the Rams who lost the bell check, and it's super bowl, what was that guy?- That wasn't the McVeal?- Yeah, no, not with Vermeal. The guy who was coach of the Rams.- McVeal?- Yeah, yeah, it was like McVeal.- The current coach of the Rams?- Yeah, McVeal versus Bell Check, or Cereani versus like Andy Reed. It's as good as they were to get where they're at, like, it's something I would, again, I think Trump would, I think you're still not here, like you're still--- But Vic, I would love, it's something I would love to say,'cause I thought I was gonna love to see Vic and DeSantis go out, 'cause DeSantis, the way he comes off, again, he's intelligent, the way he spoke in Florida, it was very thorough, well put, like well thought, saved him with him, and then when they came together and Vic would question him on things, and he'd kind of repeat what he was saying, and then in circles, and I was like, holy shit.- What I would ultimately like to see is, we're looking to stop eating each other.- That's never gonna stop happening.- I mean, that's what I like to see is, you guys--- You like gates?- Yeah, you have to go at it for these primaries and stuff, I get it, but you don't have to get so personal to words, like we all feel it as like this, like, disdain hate for each other. Like you guys are gonna turn around and work with each other for any of us to work, because you're all players in the game, right? So regardless of who wins, the rest of you are still there doing something, playing some role, and you're gonna have to work together. And that's the one thing that drives me nuts, because the liberals do it so well, regardless of how things turn out, they all play ball together, and that's why they're so hard to crack that nut, because they back each other even if they don't like each other, right, and they're not openly killing each other. They do it all behind closed doors, all they're killing of each other. And that's what I wish Republicans would do, is just stop freaking all the open, outwardly hate, and even Trump, I love Trump, and even he does it. It's one of the people I was like,"Oh, you're a Trump person." No, there's things he does I hate. They're saying he says that I hate. I hate that he goes after guys that he's gonna need to turn around and work with. You know what I mean? They're really hoping to do this thing. Like you're gonna need to work with DeSantis. You know, you're gonna need to work with, what's his name from Texas?- Abbott.- No, no, no, they--- Tech tickers.- Crews. Like back when they were running last time. Like, "You're gonna need to work with crews."You're gonna need to work with these guys." Like, you don't have to get personal, these silly little personal attacks, and small hands, this, that, and all these stupid little things that like are personal, like, 'cause they're just, they're not getting anything done, you know? Like doing that shit.- It's funny, I hate the term, I hate the term I know, but the problem is, you know, at the end of the day, liberals are liberals, and at the end of the day, not all Republicans are conservatives.- True.- I feel like as long as that is gonna be how the Republican Party sits, this is what we're gonna, this is what we're gonna have. I mean, either you're conservative, or just get the fuck out of the party.- Yeah, man.- Because gay, you know, Matt Aids, right? He tears some Republicans up.- Yeah, and the people there--- I like him a lot. You like it?- I don't know. I really don't know. I guess, yes and no. Because yeah, like, that he goes against the grain, and he does what he thinks is right, but sometimes I wonder why he does what he does.- I like that he goes against the grain, he's conservative, but I don't like the fact--- He goes straight.- I don't like the fact-- - Constitution.- I don't, yes and no. I mean, I don't like the fact that not that, you know, I think what's his face was a good speaker, because I don't think he was a good speaker. What's his name?- McCarthy.- McCarthy. I don't, I like the fact that they stood up against McCarthy. What I don't like is the fact that they ousted McCarthy without having a fucking plan, and then essentially putting somebody back into a position who is gonna essentially have to do the same shit that McCarthy did, because we don't have a Republican party--- So it's how it was started.- That's gonna start him. So I was, when all that stuff first happened, I was like, wow, here we go. We're gonna stand up. We're gonna be real conservatives for a minute, but then they didn't have a fucking plan, and it made us look like a bunch of clowns, you know?- Yeah, that's a good idea.- And that alive. And it's, you know, I think most of their careers are gonna be short lived, unfortunately, because that's how the Hill works. I'd be surprised. I mean, Gates is in Florida, so he's a little bit different, but I think, you know, these guys like Eli, what's his face?- Apple.- Yeah, is that a thing?- Manning.- Not manning.- It's only two ELIS.- I know, but the politician, he like, I think it's affordable. So, you know, I think these guys are gonna be, they're gonna be running out of town because they don't support the grain, and that's, you know, you who controls the funding controls, who gets the election funding, and you who gets the election funding, wins the election.- Speaking weird riddles right now.- So, you know, I mean, it's a screwed up thing, but, you know, as much as I like Gates, and I think, you know, we need people like that on the Hill, I wish to see, I like--- Yeah, to be better calculated.- I like Marjorie.- Do you, I also like Marjorie. Do you like Marjorie? I prefer butter over Marjorie.- Well, it's a Marjorie. What's a Marjorie? Taylor, Green, something Marjorie.- Marjorie Taylor Green.- I like her.- Anybody with three names is America.- I like her.- Where is she, what's they, Tate?- Out of, God, I wanna say West Virginia, but they think they're all, but she don't take shit, man.- That's why my Gates, he's on team--- But she's on team Gates, I think. I'm pretty sure they're like on the same--- Yeah, they are on the same.- They were the feather rufflers in this last--- That's what I think it needs. Again, I hate Republican, putting Republicans down, but he, I don't know, he just--- That wasn't Republicans putting Republicans down. That was Republicans assassinating careers. So, I mean, you could say you don't like, I mean, it's true, it's kind of what it was. I mean, as much of a scumbag as he was, at the end of the day, they assassinated one of their own without a succession plan.- Is he one of our own, no? He's a California Republican.- Right.- Is he really Republican?- Right now. That's my point. I don't know if I was saying Republican I'd go.- But if they were liberals, they'd all stuck together, they would have been a pro.- They would, but from our perspective, that's at a fault.- Oh, right?- 100%.- That's a human shit. That's a union shit you know about, right?- Yeah, I'm sorry.- What's the other ass who doesn't do his job is protected because of the union, right? It's the same thing when it comes to that. Liberals, they back each other, but it's too a fault at times, you know?- But I feel like if you're gonna pull off a stunt like that, you gotta have, you have to, you have to, you gotta have backing.- You gotta have backing.- I think they just wanted him out so fucking bit'cause I mean, Gates, he needs McCarthy.- Well McCarthy was a cop.- Well, what people all know is, they wouldn't give McCarthy, and this is the whole thing so fucked up. They would not give their support to McCarthy unless McCarthy changed the rule for the speaker to be voted out. So McCarthy actually made the rule that made him susceptible to getting, you know, career assassinated off the speaker, right? So he created that rule as a condition for him to get their support, which is like, I don't, you know, we couldn't even stick together enough to pick a speaker as McCarthy. McCarthy had to give a concession that basically was a suicide note. His concession to get that share was a suicide note because that was their plan.- You think you knew that deep down though?- 100% knew that.- I think you knew that.- There is no way that these guys said, well, we'll give you our support if you put this condition in there, and then they're not gonna act on it.- Yeah, I, you know what I mean? It, the whole thing, like, I'm still, I feel like there's something about the whole thing that I still understand. I'm still scratching my head over a little bit. But, first time in history, the country that had happened. And- - Let's countries in a fucked up place right now.- I think it could have been done better. It was all I'm saying. I think it could have been done better. I wasn't, you know.- Right there?- Yeah, I'm good, man.- I'm waiting to get it.- We just, for the first time, we just did a three hour mark.- Yeah, we did. - And I knew that.- I told him that was gonna happen.- It's been three hours?- Three hours of it, senior.- Bullshit, not a podcast, say.- As the only adult in the room, I'd be remiss if I didn't, you know, just kind of bring up this point that we've talked about a lot of things tonight. We've talked about motorcycles. We've talked about politics. Talk about things I don't even remember. It's been three hours. I can't remember that long. I'm old. But I don't wanna get out of the room without talking about this. All right, real quick, it can be quick, whatever. But we are on essentially the eve of Wild Card Weekend.- So now we're going in the football?- And we gotta briefly address this. And I know just from the small conversation we had the other day, how fiery you get on this topic. But I do wanna just kind of get into this real quick for whoever the five or seven days.- It's not gonna be quick.- No, it can be quick.- It's gotta be quick.- For the five or seven football fans out there listening, I have no idea. We are not foreign up into this podcast thing to know at all what you people like.(laughs)- What are you doing?- We already hear talking about what the hell. We wanna talk about.- We can't wait to spend three hours.- But so Wild Card Weekend is coming up. We have narrowed out all the has-bins and wannabes.- Have we?- We are in the, well, for the most part. Right? We're into the playoffs.- Based on the system.- Playoff.- Based on the system.- Wait, are you an Eagles fan?- It's gonna be good.- Okay.- Before we get into this, okay, now it's getting real. I'm just gonna go, don't be mean to the host.- No, no, no, no, no, no.- The Eagles. Do you think they're a super bowl caliber team?- 100%.- Are you mad how their season ended?- Yes, yes.- So you don't think they're just a mediocre football team and you're not only, not only--- You're 10 in one, 10 more nays. Not only my man about how their season ended, I think it is the biggest collapse in--- Let me break this down to you.- Okay.- You almost lost to the Minnesota Vikings.- Hold on.- We know how the season went.- We're not about to hear the baseball guy talk about it. Go ahead.- You almost lost to the Minnesota Vikings.- But we didn't.- Okay.- Okay, I can't.- This is the Eagles.- You nobody can get on board with the, you almost this, you almost--- Okay.- This is the Eagles, this is the Eagles.- Still on the film.- If a great team lose to crabby teams every week, is the NFL.- Ken.- The almost thing doesn't matter.- Listen, go ahead, go ahead.- When a couple get, you lose to the Jets. Jets, one of the worst teams in football this year.- Not really.- A great disagree.- No, look at their hard media ochre.- But look at the red.- Right, middle of the road. Middle of the road.- We shouldn't have lost to the Jets.- They're less than middle of the road.- They're not a great team, but they're not one of the worst teams.- You should have lost to the Vikings, but the Vikings had four turnovers.- What are you getting at?- Get to your point.- Okay.- I said, where you go before your three game skin, you should have lost to Dallas. Dallases, would you agree a terrible road team?- Listen.- Would you agree that Dallases, the terrible, better than that?- Yes, they are, they are a terrible road team.- Okay, they should have beat Eagles on the road in Philly.- But they didn't.- Okay, Eagles, that's Eagles, wins a win.- But, are you, wait, hold on.- I thought we were going to get a good conversation here. You're doing a whole lot of, but you should have good, what are you doing?- I'll follow.- You should have lost to.- We also did.- Oh my gosh.- What?- You're doing right now.- Kansas City, dropped the winning TD in the undone. You should have lost the Kansas City.- Well, it wasn't in the undone.- Okay, that's three. He would have fell into the undone.- It was pretty plain penalty. It wasn't a good one.- You know. He dropped the football. No, he dropped the football in the undone with the penalty line.- They dropped a lot of footballs in that game, Kansas City.- Okay. Then you go on your three game skin.- Yeah.- So, you have.- My close, my close, Sammy, my close.- You have three, three losses at this point, three or four losses.- Yeah, something like that.- And then you go one and four to end the season.- Yeah, something like that.- So you take those, one and five.- You take those, one and five, but I'm not near you.- So you take those three losses that you should have lost. You should have lost to the Vikings. The Eagles are a middle of the road team. They shouldn't even have made the playoffs.- Well, here's the thing.- Non-bite, the way that I put it to you right there. Listen, I'm a Vikings fan. The Vikings fan, as a Vikings fan, we were 13 and four last year going to the playoffs. I put $100 on the very first game against the New York Giants that we were gonna lose. And guess what?- You won.- The Giants got, they spanked the Vikings.- That's right.- Because they were 13 and four, but I knew that they weren't a 13 and four.- All right, hold on, hold on.- So, let me interject.- Oh, that's the one guy here who has to say what we're talking about here.- It doesn't matter.- It doesn't matter.- What's your point?- My point is, the Vikings or the Eagles shouldn't even be in the playoffs.- All right. Hold on.- Okay, so let me ask you this question.- I get a point now. They shouldn't be in, they had a lot of gaps on the season. There's a lot of games they could have lost. Get it, I get it. What team in the NFL right now doesn't have that same equation?- A lot of teams.- Who?- Who?- Name one.- I'll go to the Ravens.- The Ravens got swept by the Steelers, who everybody thinks is a big giant laughing stock.- Swapped by the Steelers, big job. And they have a quarterback who can't win a playoffs game. They weren't trying to win their second game.- What? Again, it doesn't matter.- The Ravens were in the playoffs.- Well, the quarterback playing, was in the Eagles were trying--- Hold up, hold up, I'm speaking, hold on.- The Eagles were trying to be the giants.- Yo, who was the quarterback starting for the Ravens last week?- Not Lamar Jackson.- Oh, but he was a playoff. I mean, he was a pro-baller last year. Yeah, he was in the pro-ball. Yeah, that quarterback was in the pro-ball last year.- What's his name?- Huntley, in the pro-ball last year.- By NFL standards, that means he's a pretty good quarterback. He was starting. There was a few players out. We have a whole bunch of players out from injury. So, right, we beat them. We beat their ass at home in October.- Lesson?- When they had all their people.- Can you listen to me?- And then we played them when they were drenching people.- Lesson.- We beat them again. So we swept them. And everybody that looks at Pittsburgh is a laughing stocker.- I don't think you'll hate what I have to say.- Hold on.- No, what I have to say.- The point is, that's what I'm saying.- Single team.- No, every team in the league is flawed. Every team. Same friend went on a three game losing streak, not that long ago.- Same friend lost to the Vikings.- Yeah. They have warts. Everybody's got warts. So your point, they finished where they had to finish to get in the playoffs. So my point of this was, let's talk playoffs, and let's not talk about the regular season and who should be in the playoffs, because who's in the playoffs is in the playoffs.- I wasn't saying who shouldn't be in the, I said the caliber of team.- The Eagles.- It goes, it goes.- They went so many games early, that they earned a spot into the playoffs early. Yeah, they tailed out at the end. They have a lot of issues, ton of issues, but they're in the playoffs.- Ton of issues and people don't realize this.- They're playing Tampa this week. Do we only think Tampa's awesome?- No, Tampa's the worst team in the playoffs.- Baker may feel, let's just record them.- I can't say.- People don't realize that, you know, and teams get rid of the withinjuries. A parody.- That's what the NFL wanted. That's what they have.- All right, let's go. Go ahead.- Yeah.- We got rid of the injury. I mean, all teams get rid of the withinjuries.- There's a lot of it.- There's a lot of it.- Let's go.- Play us, wild car weekend, what do we got?- Thanks, man.- Yeah, so I just, I wanna know, like, let's go down the list. Like, who, who are your winners this week? I mean, we're not gonna have you back. Let's go down the winners this week and your overall prediction, so that we'll say--- We'll go Philly, Tampa first.- Okay.- Philly wins in a landslide.- No way.- Wow.- So you just ripped them as being, not worthy of being in the playoffs.- Tampa is a very bad football team. Philly loses by two touchdowns.- Will you not agree that Tampa is a very bad, full team and a very bad conference right now?- I think Philly's given up 30 points of game for every game that's went--- I think Tampa is one of those dangerous teams because they're not that team that we all thought is good. They've battled their way to win that--- So do you have Tampa?- I have Tampa, I have Tampa.- I don't know.- So you have Tampa.- I have, I have.- I think the Eagles will get it together enough to win this game.- I think--- Yeah, I do.- Listen, what makes you think that though? What, 'cause I mean, I'm a fan, I've been watching these games and I don't--- I don't know.- I guess.- Overall talent.- I think they're gonna go down to Tampa. It's warmer weather. I think they're gonna be like, all right guys, we should beat Tampa.- We're gonna try.- But it's not like a, like a super war gonna beat these guys by 40. I think they still have the mindset that like, we're the underdog, I think they're gonna go in there with the underdog mentality. Let's get it done.- No, I think we're gonna be embarrassed.- And we'll go to San Francisco.- I don't think you're gonna be embarrassed.- I think you can lose.- I think you can lose.- I literally--- I think you can lose and I'm not like, I wouldn't bet money on this and what I'm saying. I think you're gonna win, but you certainly could lose. There's a good, I'm probably at like 55, 45.- Receivers have been running, Shepherd ran wild like he was in a probe, like he was in a, having a probe all season, the guy is getting ready to retire. Receivers have been running wild in this secretary.- I know you're doing the whole self-loathing.- No, it's not, they suck.- I mean, it's-- - Typical Philly thing where you guys say, I get it.- 30 points a game dude.- I get it.- There's no self-loathing about that.- I hate this defense right now. I get you hate this defense right now. They're in a bad spot. They struggled, mightily down the stretch.- Mike Evans is gonna torch them.- Dave and Pat.- I'm back. - I'm back.- This Mike Evans, it probably have a monster game.- Torch them.- Doesn't mean you can't win.- The warmer weather is gonna be better.- It doesn't mean we can't win.- We have other than Mike Evans.- Who's the other, Godwin?- Yeah. - Dude ain't done nothing in three years. Don't, mate, the dude hasn't done anything in three years.- As far as Jackson, like fucking Joe Montana on Sunday. So, listen.- Listen to this name as well.- I just want to talk facts.- Alright.- I don't want to talk feelings. I want to talk facts.- You got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got the, you got the bucks. Okay, we're gonna go to LA and Green Bay.- Detroit.- Detroit, LA Detroit. I think LA is gonna win. Detroit is a very shaky team.- I think, I think your bias.- And LA is, no, I'm not bias at all.- I think Detroit is coming on, our LA is coming on hot right now.- LA is very hot.- I think they're jiving right now.- I think Stafford wants to prove something to Detroit.- I think Detroit has a super shaky defense. And they took a huge hit with La Porta going down. That's a huge chunk of their offense.- Yeah.- That's, that's probably the biggest thing.- And I think the Rams going inside.- I think the Rams.- And again, I'm like, I'm 55, 45 going in this, but I think.- I think it's gonna be the best game of the week.- I think it's gonna be a great game. I think it's gonna be super close. And I can see Stafford squeaking it out. I feel like he's a better quarterback than the other one.- No, I think it's gonna be Detroit. And I think it's probably also gonna be the only, it could be very well the only overtime game of the weekend.- All right, so we got one of Detroit.- I say LA. You got Green Bay going into Dallas. I think Dallas wins. While I think Green Bay puts up a good fight, I think Dallas has been a different team at home.- They're too good at home. If Dallas loses this game and nobody wants to see Dallas lose more than me, believe me.- Yeah.- If Dallas loses this game, it will be the most epic loss of the NFL season for any team.- Yeah, for any.- No, definitely.- If Love goes in to Dallas and beats Dallas, holy shit. Well, they look like Genius is hitting on the third quarterback.- So you got Dallas.- I don't think Green Bay can beat them, but--- I got Dallas.- Yeah, I think it's Dallas.- Green Bay, and again, I hate to say this'cause I'm a Viking fan.- You think Green Bay can beat Dallas and Dallas?- And I hate Lund. My buddy at work, he's a huge packer fan. And the big issue, we had a bet. I said they won't win six games and he said, they'll win nine. Whatever, of course, they went through a really bad stretch and I was like, I couldn't won the bet six weeks prior to the Finch of the season.- Yeah, and then all of a sudden, they started putting together these wins and obviously the last game in the game.- So you think Green Bay's gonna win?- No, I'm not saying that, but they are playing well.- That's all right.- Again, I think Dallas will win.- Or I'll just give you a free point.- I think it's gonna be a lot closer than people think.- Yeah, I think Green Bay puts up a great fight.- I think Love's putting it together enough and their defense is holding.- We played Love. I think Love has his warts as well.- I think he's come on, good down the stretch.- Yeah, I kind of love against Grit opponents either.- No, but I think the problem is, I think CDLAM probably has the most receiving yards of the weekend for you.- I think they have like three top offense and players in the NFL this year.- Who?- Green Bay Scott.- No, no, no, no, no, no. Dallas, Prescott, LAM, and one of their tight ends.- They're tight.- They're gonna be up there, Sholtz.- Sports center posted, it's something that they have, like three out of four.- Sholtz might be up for it.- Oh, he loves the sucks of Dallas, Dick, but you know, it's, listen, listen, I don't think Dallas is gonna win.- So we all got Dallas.- But I got Dallas, that's how I think this honor. So that's the three NFC, right?- Yeah, I think it's Dallas. So going into AFC, you got Pittsburgh going into Buffalo.- Big game.- Listen, don't freaking stay here and bite your tongue because I'm here.- No, no, I don't.- Buffalo after last year, when they were, the true favorite.- I think you played Buffalo the wrong time. I think Buffalo, I think Buffalo's playing us at the wrong time.- That's what I think.- That's what I got Pittsburgh.- I don't. It's tough. I think it's Buffalo. I think they came out and they played last weekend for a seed knowing they were already in the playoffs. Better than most teams that were in the playoffs played their opponents.- They didn't play well last week.- You don't, they won, right?- Wait, who, Buffalo?- Oh my god, did they win?- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,- Did they not win?- Wait, what are you talking about?- Wait, you said they came in playing well.- I thought Buffalo played Miami last week.- And they won.- And they won, and they won.- Lesson is terrible. Did you watch it?- I just saw the score.- Oh, I watched the whole thing.- Oh, all right, so you guys decide who you wanna listen to.- All right, well they won.- I got, they definitely won. Miami was not good at all. Miami is terrible.- Not Miami, we'll get to that.- So here's the thing.- I think Buffalo is a Buffalo stuff.- I'm completely biased. I will never even pretend to joke around about that. I'm biased. I think the game's gonna be a lot closer than what people with the talking head idiots think.- What's the line?- Well, the line is like nine and a half 10.- We're talking Buffalo.- It's a big line for playoff.- We're talking Buffalo Pittsburgh. Talking heads, think Pittsburgh has no chance. I think it's gonna be a super close game. Mostly because of the weather. I mean, Buffalo, they're big play.- I just go off the last day.- They're a big play thing though. They're big, he's got big army throws the ball to his receivers. Big play thing. That weather is gonna be 30 mile an hour wins. There's gonna be ridiculous cold temperatures. I think it's gonna be a low scoring game which plays into our hands. But I do think Buffalo will pull it out just because they're a more well-rounded team than us.- So even after last year's debacle at home in the playoffs, who's the buckle?- Buffalo.- Who do they lose to the last year?- Yeah, I don't think they had the two.- They the two see the last year.- I don't know the whole last year thing. Like that's a whole different team.- That's a whole different team.- Buffalo's team isn't that one's different from last year.- But listen to me, I'm gonna, I'm 55-45, right? I think Pittsburgh's been playing very well.- I think it turnover or two more than normal, which Allen has been doing lately. He just did it. He just did it last week. He's just throwing picks like crazy. And I think that's something we could take advantage of. I would not be even remotely surprised if we won. But if I had to bet my money on it, I would go Buffalo.- All right, so Buffalo?- I think it's Buffalo. I got Pittsburgh.- So then you go KC Miami, which I'm going.- It's KC. - I'm straight up saying KC. I don't think Miami, between injuries, between the way two is playing, between them going to like ridiculously cold weather that we're gonna have this week.- It's gonna be bad.- I think KC.- I think KC, and I don't think KC's good.- No, I think so.- I think KC called the ultimate jackpot in this matchup.- Yeah.- Because I think any one else they play that's in the AFC, I think they lose two. I think this is the one team they beat.- I agree.- And I think they might beat them convincingly, because I think Miami doesn't have a lot of heart, and they're banged up, and they're quarterbacked doesn't have a lot of heart.- I hope they do beat them convincingly, because it's nothing like a little self confidence for a KC going to the next round. So, and then the other game is Cleveland Houston.- Houston, it's right.- It's Cleveland.- Yeah, I got Cleveland, Flacco, baby.- Yeah, I got Fire.- Yeah, I got Fire.- Flacco is playing for something, and he's my first life.- 100% have Houston at home.- And I think Flacco really wants Baltimore in the second round.- Yeah, I'm not buying it. Just Cleveland, I know, I lived it for many years. I know the Joe Flacco experience.- Yeah.- Yeah, and he's riding the high right now.- Well, I mean, people knew the Nick Folls experience too, and Nick Folls took them in.- No, they didn't.- No, they really didn't.- Oh yeah, they did.- No. What did he accomplish prior to?- Well, winning a Super Bowl.- And not as much as Flacco.- Nothing.- Not as much as Flacco.- But there's a difference, right? He was young. Flacco were full.- Fulls. He had hot, young in his experience with Philly. Left there, went away, came back, won a Super Bowl.- Went away 'cause he was terrible,'cause he couldn't stay healthy.- There you go.- Okay.- Flacco came on, he played at Baltimore, won a Super Bowl with them.- Won a Super Bowl.- And then bounced to 12 different teams and sucked butthole for multiple years, and then retired. And then came back out of nowhere with a very stacked team, which everybody wants to be like,"Oh, they had this guy hurt, and they had that guy hurt."- Oh, they're good.- They had a very, very good roster.- They're good.- I'm a Pittsburgh fan, and I'm saying this. They had a very good roster. Yes, they lost Chub. The guy that came in behind him was a very good running back and had proven it before. Yes, they have very good receivers. They have a great tight end.- They thought they had a good roster last year.- They have amazing defense. They have all these things. You flacko fell into the absolute perfect spot for him. And he's been riding that high, but I also know the flacko that throws picks like crazy and gets flustered when he gets hit. So Houston is also had a really good season and they're playing at home.- I got Cleveland.- I don't know, I think it's Cleveland.- I got Houston. I think flacko's a clown.- All right, so we'll go backwards.- He's more biased when it comes to Cleveland.- He's the Pittsburgh brother there.- I just know the history.- Okay, listen, so what was our first scenario, NFC? It was the birds, right?- Birds.- Birds Tampa.- So who's the?- We'll go bust it. So you had, which we'll call it, you had the birds.- I had the birds.- Birds San Fran.- I take San Fran.- Just go, we're just going, we're not talking to people'cause we, yeah, I mean there's no, yeah, there's no.- I take San Fran.- They're not gonna be San Fran.- Okay.- Is that who?- If they, the winner of the box Tampa game goes to San Fran.- San Fran.- Okay, regardless of the other games, I'm gonna go San Francisco.- So what was the other one? Dallas, Green Bay.- Yeah, wait, no, there is a difference.- No, Green Bay, I don't think so.- No, Green Bay is the lowest seed. If Green Bay won, they would go to San Fran. But we picked.- You picked.- Dallas.- Yeah.- Yeah, we all picked Dallas, didn't we?- Yeah, so Dallas. So Dallas moves on to play, what's the other team? It would be, you guys picked Tampa.- So Tampa's the four, so the four plays the one. Now.- Yeah, but I feel like the winner of the Eagles Tampa game goes to San Fran.- Yeah, yeah, no, it's four five, yeah.- Unless Green Bay wins.- Unless Green Bay wins.- Unless Green Bay wins.- But what's the other team we're leaving out right now? Ramsey Troy.- Ramsey Troy.- Ramsey Troy.- So they'll go to Dallas.- So let's say, let's say Green Bay loses.- Dallas wins. That means Tampa Bay wins.- Let's just say, all right, let's just say this. We'll cut out the cards. NFC Championship came. Who do you got?- I got San Fran going against.- Dallas.- The Rams.- Me too.- San Fran Detroit. I think Detroit's gonna do well.- Okay.- I mean, I think that. I got San Fran in LA.- This is it.- So I have San Fran wearing that. So who do you have for the Super Bowl from the NFC?- Oh San Fran.- So San Fran.- All right, so we'll go AFC Championship game.- What do you have San Fran too?- Yeah.- So we all in NFC say San Fran's going to the Super Bowl. All right, three hours 20 minutes in. Now let's go. AFC.- I got Baltimore. I don't think Baltimore makes it.- Again, I hate Baltimore Jackson because I hate.- I don't think they did.- I hate black running quarterbacks because I think they're just so not successful. But Mar Jackson has proven this year that he can throw the football and not rely on his legs. So I'm trying to give him that.- Trying to think of what the matches will be'cause I don't wanna say something that can't happen. So if Buffalo wins.- It'll be Pittsburgh.- Hold on, 'cause Pittsburgh is the seven seeds that would knock them out. So Buffalo, what was the other matchup? Houston and Cleveland.- Yeah.- All right, so who did you have?- I had Cleveland.- And you had Cleveland. So let's say Cleveland wins. I don't think that's gonna happen. But let's say Cleveland wins. They're the five and Buffalo was the two who else was in that. That was just them two. And no, there's gotta be another one because.- Miami KC.- Miami KC. KC is the--- KC's one and KC's six.- Are they a succeed?- No, they won their division. So they're the four seed.- Four seed.- Baltimore.- Baltimore.- Buffalo. Miami.- Maybe the third.- And Buffalo.- Miami and then they are the four seed.- Yeah.- So you got the four seed in KC. You got Buffalo in the second seed. You have Cleveland. So Cleveland is gonna play Baltimore. And KC will play Buffalo.- Yeah, Cleveland, if they win, they're getting Baltimore in the second round.- Right, so okay, so we got that. So okay, I just wanted to know what was available. So AFC Championship. So you got Cleveland Baltimore and you have Kansas City.- Buffalo.- And Buffalo. Who do you have playing in the AFC Championship?- I do, the AFC outside of Baltimore.- Be real interested in it.- They're all the same. Like it's Buffalo.- It's heard, I think Buffalo playing Baltimore.- I think Buffalo goes to Chicago.- You ready for that?- I think Buffalo.- And I got Buffalo playing San Fran. Figured to start all tonight. This wasn't pre-picked. This was just based on our discussion.- Wait, Pittsburgh make the NFS, or the AFC Championship?- So if Pittsburgh, if Pittsburgh, if Pittsburgh, they win all their games.- If Pittsburgh, they won't be playing Baltimore. They won't be ranked against Baltimore, being the last seed end.- No, if we win, if we win Round 1, we play Baltimore next week.- That's the thing.- If Pittsburgh, so it can't be a AFC Championship.- I feel like if Pittsburgh beats Buffalo, they have a legit chance.- If Pittsburgh, okay, let me say this now. If Pittsburgh pulls it out against Buffalo, we're going to the AFC Championship.- Yes, 100% they are.- Because we own Baltimore. And more than Baltimore.- Don't count the second game, though. Don't count that.- What do you mean?- I don't think they won the first game.- I don't think they won the first game.- Six and one in the last seven.- I'm the largest.- I'm the biggest one in his career.- Listen, I'm on a hit-sport train.- You're not listening to me.- I understand, but I'm not counting that. I'm counting the fact that we own them. Six and one in the last seven, and I think it's 10, six, it's like 10 and four in the last 14.- Yeah.- And Lamar I think is beating us one in his career.- I don't.- If Lamar cannot play Pittsburgh, Lamar chokes against us every single time. And if he plays us in the next game, TJ Watts is going to be there and he owns that bitch. So I'm just saying.- I feel like the most.- I don't necessarily think we're going to win.- I'm a big one.- I'm a big one.- Hey, I don't believe that we're going to win round one. But if we do, I think we're in the AFC championship.- Okay, so I got.- Because I think we would be both of them.- I have Baltimore, and I hate to fucking say it. Buffalo, I got the one too.- Yeah, so I think Baltimore.- And I think Baltimore, San Fran, I'm going to go ball.- No, so you're saying you think Baltimore goes to the zoo ball.- Yeah.- Or you think they be Buffalo? It's going to be embarrassing.- Yeah, I do. I don't see it.- It's going to be embarrassing.- Listen, the AFC, to me, I could pick any one of those teams, and if I had to put money on it, I could probably put money on each of those fucking teams.- I just, for me,- It's such a spread.- For me, for the AFC,- The AFC for me, for the quarterbacks, the quarterbacks that I trust the least, Lamar Jackson's on the bottom, the absolute bottom. I would put money on any one of the other five quarterbacks, six quarterbacks to win the zoo ball, or get to the zoo ball, then Lamar Jackson.- I just don't try, I just don't.- History, pre-event.- He hasn't done it.- Yeah, history proves that.- I can't.- And everybody keeps hyping him up, and raving about him, and then he gets, gets some big games, and the pressure comes, and it take away his run, and he doesn't throw the ball.- See, but listen.- He chokes every time.- When he first came into league, and the year two, when all's he did, like again, I, this is why I can't stand Jalen Hertz. And this is why I think this is the Eagles downfall, is because Jalen Hertz, since his injury, he's not putting up those ground yards, and team see that, so they can put, they can double like an A.J. Brown, and they don't have to worry about covering Jalen Hertz.- I think that's it.- Because he's scared to take off.- No.- But Marjaxon, his first three years in the league, he was taking off, he couldn't throw a football. Again, they have, Jalen Hertz has a great heart.- It's an outside perspective, because Jalen has been running for his life this year, because we are not capable of doing hot reads, we're not capable of getting rid of the ball fast in the face of pressure. We need--- Isn't that his fault though?- Huh?- Is that Jalen's fault? I think that's coaching's fault, actually.- Getting rid of the ball.- I think when all of these routes are downfield, and you're running around for your life,'cause you need all this time to have a plate develop, is, you know, you've got to have an adjustment for this pressure.- There's pressure.- Every single NFL team has hot reads.- Yeah, well, when you watch these guys on TV, nobody's short.- Well.- I mean, it's, the only time, the only time a short pass is complete, is when the receiver's running back towards the line, to bail him out.- Yeah.- It's, I can't wrap my head around the offense that they're running this year. I can't wrap my head around it.- I mean, they have, they have calls at the line. They have a million different options to counteract defenses. You telling me, there's nothing, none of it's Jalen's fault.- I'm telling you, I don't know what's going on in that line, and I don't think it's--- Yeah, I don't know.- I don't see it.- I think--- How are they, how is the, it's the same exact coaching stuff they had last year?- No, it is not. It's completely different. How is it different to coordinators?- It is completely different.- Decide.- Who moved up from within?- Nobody, they both moved up from within.- No.- Both coordinators came from the outside.- Yeah.- Okay.- They did.- I don't know.- Yeah.- They lost, they lost both coordinators.- I don't know, I don't know.- I don't believe that any NFL offense goes to the line and doesn't have hot reads. Well, I've never seen offense this kind of town and I'll be able to score a touchdown again.- Well, what's AJ Brown's suggestion?- I think, I think your boy might have been over-hyped for one.- Who?- Sierra Yani.- No.- J.M. Hertz.- Yeah.- 'Cause if he doesn't run the ball, where's his stats at?- That's where I'm at. That's where I'm at as a--- And his run has been stuck.- Again, I hate the birds, so it sounds completely biased. And I am anti-quarterbacks that run the football.- Hey, I think quarterbacks.- They don't, they're in championships.- J.M. Hertz has an arm. He has an arm.- What running quarterbacks?- That mother effort.- Exactly. But that mother effort cannot win big games because when the run is taken out and the Niners prove that and put the roadmap out there to the other teams, when you put your corner, your outside linebackers and funnel him to the inside, he can't throw the, and again, the Eagles, the Eagles offensive line is weak. So again, you get that pressure from the inside.- So what you cover, if you think three guys go into the pro bowl as weak, I mean, have that.- They're not weak. I blame it on the old line. There might be issues there, but it's not, it's not, I think whatever.- Maybe they haven't played as well as they played the year before.- When they funnel J.L.N. to the inside, and they make him pocket presence, he cannot succeed because he relies on his legs. He's like a J.J. McCarthy of Michigan.- It takes way too long for these past places to develop.- Well, let's, we're watching it weaken him.- We're gonna find out this weekend. We could argue this all night.- Yeah.- Yeah.- And I love it. I love it. Don't get me wrong. I could argue this all night with you.- We should do a full-time podcast.- And we can. And I mean, we're gonna hear further into the playoffs. We could talk more about this. Absolutely. I have no problem with that. But this one,(clicks tongue)- We'll cut this one short.- This one is not being cut short. This is the longest podcast.- All right, wait. All right. So what do you, Super Bowl winner? So I have this full in honors. You have the honors.- I don't think anybody's beating them right now. I think they're very honestly. I don't, I think they're very tough. They're gonna go with the Niners.- So Niners, Niners, I got a ball.- But I'm still only like 55%.- That's fair.- I think this playoffs is crazy. I think there's so many different teams that could win.- Yep.- And the teams at the top tier, I know everyone's touting Baltimore and Sanford has just so much better than everybody else. But I've seen Sanford in struggle. And I've seen Baltimore play Pittsburgh at their best. So, I don't know.- Yeah.- I just say, those two teams are just set up to get to Super Bowl. You got one less game. You're home the whole way. Those two teams should face off in the Super Bowl. But I see Sanford and Winon. And if Baltimore wins, I'm gonna barf.- I feel like it would Baltimore is gonna be a defining moment for his career as a quarterback. I mean, if he loses this.- I'm ours.- I mean, it's all, I mean, it's laid out for you.- Yeah.- If you don't get to the Super Bowl.- That's gonna be a big problem.- That's a big problem.- And I think the other big,- Do you have the big thing?- The other big thing is love. I mean, if by chance, and I statistically, I don't see it happen.- No, not maybe.- I feel like if love and green Bay walk into Dallas and they pull that magic that, you know.- I don't think they have enough weapons.- That they did.- I don't know. I'm torn on love. That guy's been up and down. So, I think he's got a future, but I don't know.- I like the franchise though. And I think it would be cool to see that franchise. I said, I'm three quarterbacks in a row. I mean, that's not something everybody does.- Yeah, I'm good with them not.- Me too.- I know you.- I'm fucking done.- Fucking Viking fans. They still think it's the 70s.- How do we do an act it off a podcast? So we just thank you.- I'm trying to figure it out right now'cause you guys keep you up.- All right.- Oh.- Now this has been a really good one, man. Superman and J. On the Instagrams. Where else are you at?- This was fun. I think I like this more than YouTube.- Yeah.- This is a good time.- So where else can working people find you?- Other than Instagram, just Instagram.- I keep a low profile.- That's hardly a low profile.- Rippin' down Route 539, that's all they find out.- Well, if you see a guy in some real nut hugger of Jean Shorts and cowboy boots and a cut off T-shirt- Hold the package.- Holdin' his nuts sack while he flies down the road at mock Jesus on his wannabe roguelie that he's now transformed into a tart glide or his girlfriend's street bob. That could be Superman and J, maybe head in the Daytona or somewhere in North South Carolina. Who knows? Who knows? But super good dude. Thank you for coming on, man. This has been a blast. We always have a good time hanging out. We've been on the live's.- Yeah, this was fun.- The lives have been fun on the Bagger's channel. This first shot at the podcast has been awesome. We do need to do more football talk'cause I feel like that can go a long way. Yeah. This is a good one. This has been a long one. The wife's gonna kill me. The fact that the football talk gets as far as the politics.- Actually, I think the football talk got us more fired up.- He's really heated for having a scrub ass team and for being a fired up.- A Vikings fan.- I just can't stand the birds and--- So did you even John talk about the Vikings on New Year's?- A little bit.- He's another one.- Interesting.- But I'm just like, again, last year we were 13 and four and I knew we were gonna fucking lose to the giants and the giants suck last year. The first round of playoffs.- Well listen, we've all had those years where our teams where we've made the playoffs and as a fan of the team watching the team all year long, you know the caliber of the team. You've had this happen with Pittsburgh, I'm sure. I've had this happen with Philly. This is one of those years from Philly. I mean, everybody's like, oh, they're not bad. They're hanging their hat on this record that they've got and they've given up. They're probably the only team in the playoffs with a negative point differential right now.(laughing)- Are you got Pittsburgh too?- I think so.(laughing)- Are you kidding me? They've been rolling negative, frigging point differential since week one, bro. I think the Vikings were too.- Yeah, but they're not in the playoffs.- Yeah, we're talking about playoffs.- playoffs.- playoffs.- I'm talking about playoffs.- I'm talking about practice.- You guys watch college football?- Yeah, man.- No, we're not going there.- We're gonna have a little bit for this guy.- We're gonna have a full list of us.- Listen, we're gonna have you back in a couple of weeks, whatever you can be a reoccurring guest for all I care. I don't know.- It's on your way home from work, babe.- Maybe you just become a co-host. We'll see what happens.(laughing) Play your cards right. But, you know, this has been awesome guys. Hey, listen, if you guys want to be involved in the event and the fundraiser that we have going on this year, all of 2024, the link will be down in the description to go and donate. If you would like to win a three-night stay in Sturgis at the Aaron Horse Inn, the eighth, ninth, and tenth of August during the rally, also go to that same link, donate. 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